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DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by nmcain »

rvz wrote: post #18
devxpy wrote: post #5

The promise of flutter is alive! https://web.dahliaos.io/#/ This has the power to accelerate flutter desktop development in general. Really excited for both these projects.

I guess not yet on browsers like Firefox. On Firefox, its struggling to keep this page alive such that the browser controls are locking everything up. I don't think its quite ready yet if browsers can't keep up with correctly rendering websites using Flutter.

It is a bit of a mess. It really shouldn't be able to run online, it just happens to be possible, so we decided to put it up. Flutter really isn't quite mature enough for production on the web, (Partially our fault for a decently messy codebase, a rewrite is underway to maximise efficiency).

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by skavi »

est31 wrote: post #26
skavi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys used to be on the Fuchsia subreddit fairly frequently. They were definitely far from experienced or professional. IIRC, the founder is very young and was very much a beginner to OS development.

Usually hn is very positive towards young folks doing stuff, and doesn't measure it by the bar that older people get measured by. Why is this different this time? Also even then, you'll probably find people doing mistakes, committing hacks, etc all the time. It's like complaining that the initial Linux release doesn't support x86... Linus didn't write it for x86 originally.

I didn’t mean for my comment to be an insult. It is as close to the truth as I remember, and was offered as an explanation for the potentially low code quality mentioned earlier in the thread.

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by pengaru »

est31 wrote: post #26
skavi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys used to be on the Fuchsia subreddit fairly frequently. They were definitely far from experienced or professional. IIRC, the founder is very young and was very much a beginner to OS development.

Usually hn is very positive towards young folks doing stuff, and doesn't measure it by the bar that older people get measured by. Why is this different this time? Also even then, you'll probably find people doing mistakes, committing hacks, etc all the time. It's like complaining that the initial Linux release doesn't support x86... Linus didn't write it for x86 originally.

> It's like complaining that the initial Linux release doesn't support x86... Linus didn't write it for x86 originally.

What the hell is this nonsense?

Linus was working on a terminal program for his 386 with native x86 task switching and that's the origin story of Linux. It's clearly recorded on the wikipedia page for the kernel, and he speaks to this in Just For Fun IIRC.

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by pmarin »

skavi wrote: post #11
zeusk wrote: post #3

Call me a skeptic but the code isn't very confidence inspiring https://github.com/dahlia-os/system-recovery/commit/49336659...

These guys used to be on the Fuchsia subreddit fairly frequently. They were definitely far from experienced or professional. IIRC, the founder is very young and was very much a beginner to OS development.

How old was Linus Torvalds when started Linux?

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

#36

Post by nmcain »

skavi wrote: post #32
est31 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually hn is very positive towards young folks doing stuff, and doesn't measure it by the bar that older people get measured by. Why is this different this time? Also even then, you'll probably find people doing mistakes, committing hacks, etc all the time. It's like complaining that the initial Linux release doesn't support x86... Linus didn't write it for x86 originally.

I didn’t mean for my comment to be an insult. It is as close to the truth as I remember, and was offered as an explanation for the potentially low code quality mentioned earlier in the thread.

It definitely isn't an insult :). I attempt to keep more quality and professionalism now, the earlier days of the project were, as they say, "turbulent". I do enjoy seeing criticism, as it guides us and often shows us points to improve, especially the code quality, which is being completely overhauled as we progress.

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

#37

Post by EnderNightLord »

pmarin wrote: post #35
skavi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys used to be on the Fuchsia subreddit fairly frequently. They were definitely far from experienced or professional. IIRC, the founder is very young and was very much a beginner to OS development.

How old was Linus Torvalds when started Linux?

> How old was Linus Torvalds when started Linux?

He was 21.

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

#38

Post by 3np »

est31 wrote: post #26
skavi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys used to be on the Fuchsia subreddit fairly frequently. They were definitely far from experienced or professional. IIRC, the founder is very young and was very much a beginner to OS development.

Usually hn is very positive towards young folks doing stuff, and doesn't measure it by the bar that older people get measured by. Why is this different this time? Also even then, you'll probably find people doing mistakes, committing hacks, etc all the time. It's like complaining that the initial Linux release doesn't support x86... Linus didn't write it for x86 originally.

The tagline ("modern, secure, lightweight and responsive operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS.") is brash and sets very high standards, so that might contribute a bit.

Besides, the comment you're replying on isn't really bashing them.

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by nmcain »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #12
ponderingfish wrote: post #8

Sorry I don't get the USP of this. Can someone explain what's the best of both worlds that is being offered here? Thanks!

The write-once-run-everywhere promise -- Flutter is really good at multi-platform support because it works at the pixel level. So in a browser/web context, all you need (roughly) is a canvas, and to compile the relevant Dart to JS and you're off to the races.

Not to mention some of the best touch gesture support on Linux I have seen so far, one of the benefits of it being a mobile platform ig

Re: DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

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Post by mhd »

It also seems to combine the worst of both platforms: Apps.

Is there any OSDEV work that goes towards a more integrated, component-based architecture? As sad as it seems, Unix tools & pipes seems to be the most successful and enduring attempt in that direction. Systems doing that on a language basis seem mostly dead (Lisps, Smalltalks, Oberons), component architecture isn't doing much (OpenDoc as the prime example, CORBA/COM to a minor degree).

I don't think we'll be breaking much new ground when it just comes down to more efficient runtimes, packaging and ways to launch the same old ultra-tightly focused applications.

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