Great. I posted two forks, if GitHub takes action then I've got standing to sue RIAA (under the declaratory judgement act), which I'd love to do pro se. Btw, if anyone is associated with any fork that did go down and is interested in bringing a pro se case, feel free to contact me. I'm not a lawyer and can't give legal advice but I can help point you at some helpful laws and cases. I've been fighting false infringeme…
GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
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Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> >"Time for a decentralized version control system?" I have to laugh at this one. Git is a decentralized VCS, that was effectively re-centralized (via Github) for the sake of convenience.
I’ve heard this over and over, but I never understood it. How is Git supposed to be decentralized when you push and pull from one place? Would you just set up multiple “origins” with each one pointing to a head maintainer’s computer (and named appropriately)? Because that sounds like a massive pain compared to a centralized system like GitHub. Of course, there is the benefit of a VCS built on the idea of decentraliza…
Yes. Instead of github.com/username/project people host git repos on their own machines.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
ForgeFed is a decentralized version control system under development. https://forgefed.peers.community/
This is just a federation protocol, so it doesn't really solve the problem: federated systems are just a way to make it easier to interoperate between a number of separate instances, but every individual "thing" (in this case, a repository) is still going to be hosted on an instance that can be taken down (and sure, it could be put on another one, but then you didn't solve the problem); what you want is a "truly dece…
China has been on the forefront of this, both in terms of censorship and censorship-resistance.
Unfortunately for the mice, the cats are winning.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hate to break it to you but distribution of tools related to bypassing DRM/technical protection measures (which is what the RIAA takedown letter actually cited) is illegal in Switzerland and has been since 2006. Indeed, you can be sent to prison for it with a maximum tariff of a year in prison. https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...
youtube-dl does not circumvent any protection measures, so hosting it should not be illegal in any country, including Switzerland. The only problem here is the absurdity of how the DMCA and similar works in the US, which allows companies to easily spam invalid claims and require content removed unless the victim puts in the work to prove the claim invalid. And, of course, that legal cases tend to be settled not moral…
That's a different argument to "Swiss law is different to the US and permits this" though. Bluntly the international treaty wording that is integrated into all national laws is vague enough that I just don't know if what youtube-dl does would be found to trigger it. I certainly wouldn't gamble my own freedom on it. I also wouldn't instruct on it if I were the RIAA tbh.
Honestly I suspect if you put it to courts in various territories a hundred times you'd probably find it came out about fifty fifty. It's a badly drafted law, but unfortunately many laws are badly drafted and only clarify themselves through precedent and we don't have enough of that here.
> The only problem here is the absurdity of how the DMCA and similar works in the US, which allows companies to easily spam invalid claims and require content removed unless the victim puts in the work to prove the claim invalid. And, of course, that legal cases tend to be settled not moral and innocence, but by the lawyers paychecks.
Not especially. Ultimately if you have a free hosting service you shouldn't be especially surprised they're not willing to gamble the literal freedom of their staff for you to go to bat on legal cases. You get what you pay for. The DCMA doesn't have a takedown regime in these circumvention cases, it's just that Github becomes jointly liable when it becomes aware, and have obviously looked at it themselves and decided they are not willing to take the risk.
In that regard, the law is pretty similar in the US to pretty much every member country in the world that belongs to WIPO.
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#145Great. I posted two forks, if GitHub takes action then I've got standing to sue RIAA (under the declaratory judgement act), which I'd love to do pro se. Btw, if anyone is associated with any fork that did go down and is interested in bringing a pro se case, feel free to contact me. I'm not a lawyer and can't give legal advice but I can help point you at some helpful laws and cases. I've been fighting false infringeme…
I'd gladly contribute to a gofundme or kickstarter if they take the bait on this. Can you put together a mailing list for it?
Still remains to be seen if others that have already been taken down will start filing cases. There's at least one case that I linked above, although it's not directly related to youtube-dl.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gitlab is apparently a US based company. Unlikely that they would be more courages than Github.
The only way GitLab would escape DMCA would be to host in China or Russia (which also would get it banned by many of their customers). The US has many IP agreements with European countries and even some Asian countries, good luck escaping from it.
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#147What if we got big, important accounts to repost it, creating a "hostage situation" for GitHub?
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wrong. YouTube obfuscates the URL of the video stream for videos which have been identified as containing copyrighted material and are licensed for streaming only through the YouTube Web player or app. The copyright owner has made the material available under a license which permits ONLY that. Youtube-dl contains code to decrypt the URL of the video stream in order to download and save the copyrighted material, in vi…
Are you aware that the decryption you are talking about is simple JavaScript execution and that according to this interpretation, even browsers are in violation? You can't host something publicly, available via common, general purpose technology and then claim protection when someone uses this general purpose technology to obtain it. The RIAA would have more of a case if they hosted this on their own site and made it…
I'm not saying this is wrong, but how do you know?
That is, do you claim to have a grounded understanding of the law? (Perhaps as a lawyer, or a layperson who's studied this in some depth.) Or are you simply saying that in your opinion the law should consider youtube-dl's decryption acceptable by this reasoning? Or something else?
(I'm not even asking for citations here, if it's the first thing.)
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#149Some example comments in this thread: >"People should move their youbube-dl repositories to servers hosted in Switzerland, " >"Time for a decentralized version control system?" >"The nice thing about fossil" ... those well-meaning suggestions are missing the true difficulty : The community wants a (1) Schelling Point [0] for workflow/issues/discussions/PRs that's also (2) censorship resistant. So far, (1) and (2) con…
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#150I think some people are missing a major point about youtube-dl's takedown. The purpose of this DMCA claim wasn't just to prevent people from downloading videos, it was to set a legal precedent for the RIAA and similar organizations to troll Github and anyone hosting public repositories with it, by linking them to "illegal downloads". By agreeing to this without any public opposition, Github has become similar to Yout…
GitHub is already expected to comply with DMCA takedowns just like they have to comply with counter notifications. That's how they maintain a safe harbor, though the latter is a bit harder to truly enforce (see the recent Twitch kerfuffle).