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GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Time for a (truly) decentralized version control system?

with fossil you can use the built-in http server to quickly clone a repo, then just do `fossil server` to run a new host. Easy to decentralize the interface as well as the code.

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/git-instaweb.1.html

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DCMA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. Yes, which means it's straight up a crime to use or distribute youtube-dl, and GitHub does not want to be criminally liable. GitLab and similar sites will follow suit -- or face federal charges.

There's nothing to circumvent. It's not illegal.

The problem with the DMCA is that the anti-circumvention clauses are vague at best, and unfortunately it's easy for well-funded corporations to make claims against it.

There is nothing in the law that talks about the effectiveness of the anti-circumvention tech, so even if the tech is trivial to bypass, if that bypass is done via "unintended usage" (according to the rights holder, not you) then they can claim you are doing something illegal.

It's a shitty law.

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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People should move their youbube-dl repositories to servers hosted in Switzerland, where people are not criminalized when downloading content and making copies for personal use (even when copy protected).

I hate to break it to you but distribution of tools related to bypassing DRM/technical protection measures (which is what the RIAA takedown letter actually cited) is illegal in Switzerland and has been since 2006.

Indeed, you can be sent to prison for it with a maximum tariff of a year in prison. https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is git centralised? Just self-host with Gitlab, Gitea, et cetera.

Those are still centralized, i.e. there is one host that belongs to some person or org that's the main upstream repo and which can be hit with a takedown reqeuest. Git itself can be used in a truly decentralized way by having the main repo on IPFS or the like, though. Edit: Also your sibling posts have pointers to projects with real decentralization, such as ForgeFed.

What do you mean with "real" decentralization? Git is as decentralized as you can get. You don't need IPFS to make it decentralized, it's already there. It was designed that way.

A lot of people are confused about this because GitHub and GitLab are the only intermediaries they've used to collaborate with git. If that applies to you and you would like to know better, read this: https://drewdevault.com/2019/05/24/What-is-a-fork.html

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Technologists once again shocked that a policy issue cannot be solved by Technology. Tech solutions that are not aligned with the policy only work until lawyers and politicians catch up.

Then again pretty much any policy can be made unenforceable if a sufficient number of people decide to make it so.

Technologists with their ability to automate are at a distinct advantage here again.

I'm just waiting for youtube-dl to move development to Tor or i2p or another censorship resistant network - and ship with a built-in client to update from there.

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Some example comments in this thread:

>"People should move their youbube-dl repositories to servers hosted in Switzerland, "

>"Time for a decentralized version control system?"

>"The nice thing about fossil"

... those well-meaning suggestions are missing the true difficulty: The community wants a (1) Schelling Point[0] for workflow/issues/discussions/PRs that's also (2) censorship resistant. So far, (1) and (2) contradict each other's goals.

Nobody has come up with a technology solution that satisfies both goals. Yes, Fossil has has discussions built into the repo, but fossil is not a Schelling Point. Yes, one can run Gitlab on a self-hosted Raspberry Pi from a home internet connection but that's also not a stable Schelling Point because ISP like Comcast can shut that IP down for DMCA violation.[1] And SMTP mailing lists also ultimately depend on a server that holds the discussion archive and a well-known address for new users to send a "add my email" request. Thus, the existence of a well-known server becomes a specific target for RIAA/DMCA takedown.

As for other "uncensorable" technology ideas such as IPFS, Freenet, blockchain, etc. I haven't seen any proof-of-concept from other projects that demonstrates similar easy-to-use collaboration of Github. Remember, it's not about the raw git repo... it's about the Focal Point for the collaboration workflow.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_point_(game_theory)

[1] https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-dmca-compli...

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't been "ordered" anything by anyone who has the authority to issue an order. They have been requested to take it down, but this request arguably has no force under the DMCA because the RIAA is not the copyright holder of the material requested to be take down. Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DMCA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. It may not be surprising o…

It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility. No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.

As I have seen argued on several places thus far, including at the link below, this alleged DMCA complaint has been contrived at best and certainly falling outside of Safe Harbor doctrine. Meaning, the "immediate action" requirement on GitHub's behalf, doesn't appear to even exist here.

With most companies, Hanlon's razor would probably apply ("never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"). But in this case it is rather dubious (if not shocking) how GitHub's legal department appears to have completely failed to do their basic job.

As a company, GitHub at least has a legal duty to know the law, or be held accountable for the consequences of their actions when they monumentally fuck things up (while doing serious harm in the process).

Either way .. with Microsoft's track record in mind, GitHub's silence on legitimate questions regarding the validity of the RIAA's actions, and now this warning of inflicting harm to people if those dare to not play along with the companies dubious legal decisions .. all in all, I'd say that GitHub has long lost any benefit of a doubt by now.

With every day passing, this appears to be shifting more towards plausible (if not likely) malice. On top of that, this isn't a light matter either. Most likely a serious anti-trust violation and might even constitute a criminal enterprise. Not that I expect US authorities to do anything about it, considering its own dubious and dismal track record, for at least several decades.

0: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e...

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't been "ordered" anything by anyone who has the authority to issue an order. They have been requested to take it down, but this request arguably has no force under the DMCA because the RIAA is not the copyright holder of the material requested to be take down. Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DMCA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. It may not be surprising o…

It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility. No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.

Technically the DMCA does not match the format and/or include all required information. From what I've understood a DMCA MUST include a list of the works being violated. The RIAA also failed to conform to GitHub's standard format, although using a standard form if available is perhaps something you SHOULD rather than MUST do..

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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post #16
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DCMA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. Yes, which means it's straight up a crime to use or distribute youtube-dl, and GitHub does not want to be criminally liable. GitLab and similar sites will follow suit -- or face federal charges.

There's nothing to circumvent. It's not illegal.

Wrong.

YouTube obfuscates the URL of the video stream for videos which have been identified as containing copyrighted material and are licensed for streaming only through the YouTube Web player or app. The copyright owner has made the material available under a license which permits ONLY that.

Youtube-dl contains code to decrypt the URL of the video stream in order to download and save the copyrighted material, in violation of the license.

Now let's look at some definitions from the DMCA:

(A) to “circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure” means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and (B) a technological measure “effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title.

We have to ask ourselves two questions. First, is the URL obfuscation scheme a "technological measure" that “effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title”? Yes, it is. In the normal course of its operation, it prevents the user from accessing the work except to stream it through YouTube's Web player or its app. The bar set by the law for "effective" protection is very low. If your "DRM" is a simple XOR cipher whose key is "hello world", then it "effectively protects a right of the copyright owner under this title", provided that it does its job of restricting access to anyone who doesn't know the key.

Secondly, does youtube-dl circumvent protection afforded by the technological measure? Yes, it does. The technological measure enforces certain policies by means of its decryption algorithm; youtube-dl reimplements the algorithm, but does not enforce the policies, allowing people to get around restrictions demanded by rightsholders like the RIAA and implemented by Google. Does youtube-dl have limited use other than to circumvent protections afforded by the technical measure? Yes, it does. If the URLs were not obfuscated, a simple HTTP client might suffice to download the video data. The primary use of youtube-dl is to get around the measures Google had put in place to restrict access to YouTube content (the same for other video sites).

Therefore... youtube-dl is a circumvention device prohibited under the DMCA, and is therefore ILLEGAL. Distributing it is a felony under federal law, punishable by up to five years in prison.

Go ahead. Ask any copyright lawyer. I'm sure they'll tell you the same.

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