The nice thing about fossil is that you could have the website / documentation as part of the repository, then simply clone the repository and run `fossil server` over and over to decentralize the entire network with the built-in http server. Some kind of solution that makes it _easy_ for people to decentralize makes it more likely that it will be decentralized when needed.
GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
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Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#22This is an area where GitLab could have a huge advantage. If they had really good support for mirroring projects between instances then running your own private instance for control while mirroring to GitLab.com for scale / convenience would make a lot of sense. Of course I’m sure that would go into the super mega platinum “we’re only charging 1/5 of the real value” BS tier or whatever they’re pushing these days.
Gitlab is apparently a US based company. Unlikely that they would be more courages than Github.
Yes, but having a complete copy of all my projects in a matching self-hosted environment mitigates a huge amount of risk because it would still be there if I got banned from GitLab.com. I could still use the workflow and tooling I'm used to. Contrast that with GitHub where losing your account means losing the workflow and tooling you depend on.
I'm not talking about trying to re-host a controversial project though. I'm more interested in the risk to the average small developer where getting banned would ruin your life, but wouldn't make the news.
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#23Time for a (truly) decentralized version control system?
with fossil you can use the built-in http server to quickly clone a repo, then just do `fossil server` to run a new host. Easy to decentralize the interface as well as the code.
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
They haven't been "ordered" anything by anyone who has the authority to issue an order. They have been requested to take it down, but this request arguably has no force under the DMCA because the RIAA is not the copyright holder of the material requested to be take down. Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DMCA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. It may not be surprising o…
It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility. No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.
>No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.
How far do you think I'll get if I tried to file a bogus DMCA request for a Microsoft repo?
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#25Time for a (truly) decentralized version control system?
I don't know if it is ironic, but the vcs is decentralized. The main issue is project & code management (bug tracking, issue, planning, merge request, review UI, ...). But here we also have a lot of solution : Gitlab, Redmine, Savana, ... But Github give your project exposure to a lot of potential contributor, and tend to be used as an extension of your CV (many recruiter contacted me because of my activities on GH .…
> the social network side of GH is one of its very important side.
Exactly, and it's always the social network side of things that causes trouble when it's centralized. It's exactly our social interactions that we need to be free from central control in order to have any real freedom.
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
They haven't been "ordered" anything by anyone who has the authority to issue an order. They have been requested to take it down, but this request arguably has no force under the DMCA because the RIAA is not the copyright holder of the material requested to be take down. Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DMCA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. It may not be surprising o…
It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility. No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.
As someone who once filed a DMCA request against something, I can tell you that they requested additional verification that I was the copyright holder. Whether that was wise of them or not, it was not to a small company at all.
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#27People should move their youbube-dl repositories to servers hosted in Switzerland, where people are not criminalized when downloading content and making copies for personal use (even when copy protected).
Is there a major git host located in Switzerland? I guess one could rent a VPS there if not.
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#28Hopefully they won't ban mine! https://github.com/TimDaub/youtube-dl
Cloned it, thanks :)
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility. No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.
>No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party. How far do you think I'll get if I tried to file a bogus DMCA request for a Microsoft repo?
Not far because _Microsoft_ - the owner of the repo - will fight you on it.
It happens that they own Github, but s/Microsoft/Oracle/ and you'll probably get the same result.
The automated systems will take down the repo for a bit, then the owner of the repo will kick your ass in court.
It just happens that youtube-dl doesn't have a large corporate owner, and the RIAA _is_ a large corporate entity, and so this is how it happens.
Your anger is misdirected here....
Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
They haven't been "ordered" anything by anyone who has the authority to issue an order. They have been requested to take it down, but this request arguably has no force under the DMCA because the RIAA is not the copyright holder of the material requested to be take down. Even if youtube-dl could be considered "circumvention technology" the DMCA safe harbour provision does not apply to that. It may not be surprising o…
> Clearly this is corporate owner (Microsoft) behind Github showing its hand. You should check out the history of the DCMA repo.
The history isn't super relevant because a takedown of something like youtube-dl is really unprecedented.