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Sorry that happened to you. In my village someone from the city dumped 3 truckloads of toxic waste from an XTC lab. One barrel contained a body.
So now you have opinions about how someone in a barrel should live their life?
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That argument presupposes the right of the farmer to do whatever they want to protect their cattle, which was what I was objecting too.
This ends with "Let's not have ranchers", which is an outcome I'd agree with.
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I don't think so - because the ranchers would still bear all of the costs of the problem of having wolves exist. Insurance doesn't transfer costs to the whole group that benefits from the existence of wolves. Having the costs come from the public purse seems like a good way to do that fairly. Although in the case of wolves, it seems like politics seem to play as much or more of a role than fairness.
Farmers receive huge services from wolves, maybe they should pay for them also. Wolves remove wild grazers increasing the amount of pasture available for cattle. Wolves clean scabies in deer, lyme disease, and bovine tuberculosis in wild boars that would otherwise end in the cattle or the farmer. Wolves reduce the coyotes population. Reduce the car accidents against deer crossing the road. Wolves protect trees and al…
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> "Is a really romantic history" It still amazes me how often people think that biologists are stupid Wolves return to Yellowstone has being ruminated, and I say ruminated , by scientists for 70 long years All the possible results were examinated, there were lots of reports evaluating the project and all the benefits and cons were studied for decades, by lots and lots of well trained people. The effect of wolf in env…
Yes, I do. That video is widely disputed by ecologists and you haven’t read my link.
I had some critics or a different opinion != widely disputed;
holy moly fakebook video != science;
You have found an internet link != I must read it ASAP;
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Do you understand that there is nothing in Times Square that is anything like natural wolf habitat?
I’m sure a coyote can survive in Times Square. Make it illegal to shoot a wolf, and they’ll do fine in Times Square too.
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Farmers receive huge services from wolves, maybe they should pay for them also. Wolves remove wild grazers increasing the amount of pasture available for cattle. Wolves clean scabies in deer, lyme disease, and bovine tuberculosis in wild boars that would otherwise end in the cattle or the farmer. Wolves reduce the coyotes population. Reduce the car accidents against deer crossing the road. Wolves protect trees and al…
There's absolutely no evidence for any of the claims you're making.
Maybe you didn't search enough
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/doSearch?...
Yeah this is a bit premature. I dunno why we don't just pay the ranchers for livestock killed (it's pretty rare) and everyone goes home happy? Apex predator reintroduction is a good litmus test for how much conservation we can stomach, so I think it's important that we get this right.
Why should we even pay? There's no constitutional right to be able to leave your livestock basically unprotected on vast tracts of land where they're vulnerable to predators. I mean, if it makes it more palatable it's probably worth it to pay farmers... but I viscerally dislike the idea that any industry has the right to: 1. Destroy the environment for their convenience 2. Be indemnified by the government for their i…
People that claims to lose 600 sheep, year after year, (this guys have really bad, bad luck) are receiving 24.000 euros/year for the privilege of doing -nothing- to protect their assets. Why? Is the meat free?
Is: "pay me a ransom of 2 million euro each year... or I could start killing a protected species... or burning the forest, or burning your house, maybe your family also". Everybody giving money to a few people so they agree to respect the law is an interesting concept for sure. Is plain mobster blackmail. Each country that tried to appease criminals with money has deeply regretted it in the end.
We don't cover hotels by their loses when jellyfishes appear in a beach. Should we?
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So now you have opinions about how someone in a barrel should live their life?
No it’s just stupid to use the behavior of criminals to explain why you’re allowed to say farmers should buy and use sheepdogs to protect their sheep. City people seem to think farmers are working for them.
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The wolves are naturally moving into open territory as their numbers grow in Wisconsin at least. Why do you think this is a class issue?
False, they are being introduced into forests in the northern half of the state but are not being introduced into the forests in the southern half of the state. Also, when wolves are found close to the suburbs they are relocated to the north. This is a class issue because most of the state's wealth is located in the southern half of the state and it is mostly the southern half of the state that is forcing an unwanted…
You're right about relocations though, it's a class issue. The wolves that predate on livestock are often relocated. Normal wolf sightings though can be reported to the state to increase their coverage: https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/MammalObsForm.asp
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No it’s just stupid to use the behavior of criminals to explain why you’re allowed to say farmers should buy and use sheepdogs to protect their sheep. City people seem to think farmers are working for them.
You're right. Using facts to explain things flies in the face of God. Those farmers are obviously going to eat all that corn themselves.