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Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
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Re: Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but does the science here matter? Is wearing a mask, which might reduce the spread, and might save lives, really that much of a burden, that you won't do it even though it might be a good idea? I say, do it anyways, I'll wait patiently for the science at literally any point in the future. If it turns out masks, statistically, do nothing, then I will be no worse off for trying.
I mean, I even said "people should wear masks, masks may help". But when we're trying to persuade as many people to wear masks as possible it's really unhelpful for people to make dishonest or misleading claims about the effectiveness of masks. A message of "we think masks work, and here's why" is more persuasive than "masks definitely work and you're an idiot if you think otherwise" because it's very easy to find go…
I agree with you, but I don't think it is a practical approach -- almost no one actually cares about the science.
We're all supposed to wash our hands after going to the bathroom, especially if we're preparing meals for others -- California makes this very clear with their mandatory signage!
But do I need to see the science behind it? I've never seen any hard data on hand-washing -- and yet...
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven’t seen any research that indicates this. Would you mind sharing your source? Thanks!
Here's one that shows masks lose effectiveness over time: https://www.ijic.info/article/view/10788 They're using I think single layer of cotton, and 2ply or 3ply disposable paper masks. These are very low quality masks, and if masks work people probably shouldn't be wearing these.
Thanks!
Loosing effectiveness over time is very, very different than being actively harmful as is claimed upthread.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which cotton mask study did you read? This one found cotton masks were ok https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-study-finds-many-homem...
This article is a demonstration of a method of mask testing. It's not a test of masks. From the authors "As the title indicates, our work focused on developing a simple technique for mask evaluation that can be replicated at other labs, rather than a comprehensive mask test. They do not test how long the masks stop droplet transmission. Other studies say that these masks start losing effectiveness as soon as you put…
The same article says:
“This is a very powerful visual tool to raise awareness that a very simple masks, like these homemade cotton masks, do really well to stop the majority of these respiratory droplets,” Fischer told CNN.
The study itself tests 14 masks.
You're just reinforcing your priors ...
Re: Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
#115I'm a critical care doc and directly involved with COVID administrative policies for my health system organization. I have recently told friends and family to start buying and wearing medical masks. Our experience is that medical masks are very protective in protecting the wearer from catching the disease. Hospitals have plenty of masks now. A cloth mask prevents spread away from the wearer, but a medical mask protec…
You telling people to buy expensive masks. They're going to be used multiple times forwards and backwards sticking them in their pocket 20 times then touching it and touching everywhere else. That's why masks are dangerous because the wearers don't understand how to use them This is what my MOPP training taught me in the 90s and again in 2000s. WE WERE TAUGHT BY UNITED STATES MILITARY TO NOT HAND OUT MASKS IN AN EPIDEMIC WHAT CHANGED?
Re: Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty fed up of people acting so incredibly arrogant. Unless you can show evidence that wearing a mask is dangerous, and makes things worse, then just wear a mask. Stop trying to find reasons to prove everyone wrong. Some data someone else in the thread posted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24952278
Asking for your science is not arrogant. Addressing your link, that is somewhat persuasive, but they didn't correct for other behaviours.
No, I do not think so either. But unless wearing a mask is shown by scientific study to be harmful, the default should be to wear a mask - if a study then shows that a mask isn't as helpful as we were led to believe, then fair enough but at least we didn't make things worse.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
are you comparing the flu to c-19?
Mortiality rate is close: Fauci: “The seasonal flu that we deal with every year has a mortality of 0.1%.” Mortality for Covid is 0,14%: https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-who-estimates-10-of-global...
wouldnt it be apples to oranges comparison? Flu 0.1 when no measures are taken. 0.14 when quarantines and mask wearing are in effect.
Re: Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
#118I'm a critical care doc and directly involved with COVID administrative policies for my health system organization. I have recently told friends and family to start buying and wearing medical masks. Our experience is that medical masks are very protective in protecting the wearer from catching the disease. Hospitals have plenty of masks now. A cloth mask prevents spread away from the wearer, but a medical mask protec…
You telling people to buy expensive masks. They're going to be used multiple times forwards and backwards sticking them in their pocket 20 times then touching it and touching everywhere else. That's why masks are dangerous because the wearers don't understand how to use them This is what my MOPP training taught me in the 90s and again in 2000s. WE WERE TAUGHT BY UNITED STATES MILITARY TO NOT HAND OUT MASKS IN AN EPID…
> WE WERE TAUGHT BY UNITED STATES MILITARY TO NOT HAND OUT MASKS IN AN EPIDEMIC WHAT CHANGED?
The US military was the wrong place to look for a general solution to a civilian crisis.
All advise given from a military context relies on the idea that the civilian administration will step in, and coordinate, or handle things on its own.
For example, the military is advised not to do long term criminal investigations... but that’s not because detective work is valueless, but because it’s expected that the civilian police will handle that.
Re: Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How
#119This article has fancy animations and whatnot, but lacking in real data. So for anyone not convinced, here is a statistical analysis from my home state South Carolina. The numbers speak for themselves. https://scdhec.gov/news-releases/dhecs-third-data-analysis-m... https://scdhec.gov/news-releases/update-mask-requirement-dat... Highlights: When comparing the jurisdictions that have mask requirements in place to those…
For anyone convinced in this mask pseudoscience, here is extensive scientific literature over decades that establishes that wearing surgical masks, respirators and cotton masks do not reduce the risk of contracting verified illnesses. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-inf... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659... https://www.…
Ok so I randomly clicked on one of you links and it says
Meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) indicated a protective effect of masks and respirators against clinical respiratory illness (CRI) and influenza-like illness (ILI)
Meta-analysis of observational studies provided evidence of a protective effect of masks and respirators against severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)