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Sean Connery has died

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I recently re-watched most of his films as I created a programming language that emits error messages based on his accent[0]. I was unable to find a single film that he was involved in that I did not enjoy. Some actors not only practice their craft well but also only seem to put their stamp on films that are worth the audiences time.

[0]Example: "shtirred: filter requiresh a function and a lisht ash input!" - http://connerylang.org/

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Any living person can hold a reprehensible point of view, and as much as I may disagree with it, I really can't stand this attitude of writing people off because of a flawed perspective. That doesn't mean I support spousal abuse by association, it means I recognise he has a shitty point of view amongst all of his other flaws, as well as his qualities. There isn't a single person in history that can meet this standard…

Indeed, I think it's a terrible mistake to hold historical figures to modern standards and morals. I'm sure there are things even the best among us do today that could be harshly judged in the future. "Of this I am quite sure, that if we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future" -- Winston Churchill

Some morals aren't as modern as people make them out to be when making this argument.

Also interesting to use a quote from a man responsible for starving millions of innocents in a debate about morality, but that's neither here nor there.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Makes me wonder, are there any cameos in Bond movies ?

Rowan Atkinson appears in "Never Say Never Again" as a character that is almost Mr. Bean. It's not really a cameo though. Minnie Driver had a cameo in "Goldeneye", and Madonna had a small role in one of the Brosnan flicks. Richard Branson also appeared in one of the Brosnan films. Other than that, it's mostly production folks: https://www.007museum.com/Bond_cameos.htm

They tried to have a reoccurring comic relief character in Sheriff John W. Pepper but it only lasted two films. He played a sheriff or prison guard in a number of films of that era as well.

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What a very weird take on my comments. We didn’t make Sean Connery identify as “bad” - he did that, and did so unremorsefully and unapologetically. He didn’t want to come back to the “good” side. I find it most perplexing of all that you would want to do mental gymnastics to defend someone like that or minimize the highlighting of genuine harm that person did by trying to disingenuously act like it’s more nuanced tha…

For all the sins of past societies, they at least had the good grace and civility to regard those who spoke ill of the recently dead (even if deserved) with scorn. There are times where, as F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote, " To be kind is more important than to be right. " Let's celebrate the good parts and forgive the bad parts of a person's life at it's end, just as we would want others to do for us. Leave chewing o…

Sorry, but this is just not good enough. This is not any excuse to minimize his despicable behavior. He owned and endorsed that behavior - that’s what he wanted to be known by. Your attempt to deflect that and make it is if it’s somehow wrongdoing or impolite for others to point out what he did just doesn’t hold water.

More in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24953105

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I appreciate the nuanced response and I also believe you're also coming from a place of compassion here too. I agree to an extent, but I think it is too easy to take a nasty turn in this age of information overload. It's very easy to cherry pick salacious details and run with them, knowing that people will take it at face value. I'm absolutely not accusing anyone here of doing that, and in part I'm not responding to…

> Even if Connery did publicly retract or apologise, for example, how many people would try to seek that out if all they saw was the original video in isolation? Once a criminal, always a criminal? See: Dan Harmon's apology which so easily disproves this :) In the case of Connery, it would have been easy for him to push his PR people to publicly denounce the video, do a few interviews, and donate some token sum of a…

I'm not sure I agree with you on the thing about reform and community. I don't want to sound unfair but 'community' this way reminds me of how 'family' is often used as a blunt instrument too. You're powerless against the larger group (or the mob) and their expectations, which are ever changing. Reform is quite a strong word (with strong authoritarian connotations) and I do wonder what the reaction would be if the proponents of this found themselves on the receiving end of it.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Whenever someone of this stature goes, I tend to gather together their films, what I have of them, and work through them. So here I am looking at Outland (which isn't as terrible as Harlan Ellison said but goodness it isn't great), Zardoz , In the Name of the Rose , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (it's fun, I will grant it that), Time Bandits and was left wondering: what films had his iconic performances? What…

Finding Forrester has I think perhaps his greatest performance.

Ohh I loved that one. I haven't watched his bond films and I didn't liked the few clips. Him as an older actors was fabulous everytime I saw him.

Dragonheart - I loved his voice in that. I think I realized for the first time, what a voice can do. The angry, bitter dragon turning to the wise advisor.

And someone else mentioned 'The Rock'

Re: Sean Connery has died

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What a very weird take on my comments. We didn’t make Sean Connery identify as “bad” - he did that, and did so unremorsefully and unapologetically. He didn’t want to come back to the “good” side. I find it most perplexing of all that you would want to do mental gymnastics to defend someone like that or minimize the highlighting of genuine harm that person did by trying to disingenuously act like it’s more nuanced tha…

> he did that So it's because of him you have to bad mouth him. It must be hard. Sean denounced domestic abuse afterwards. Does he get points for that? https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12430892.i-dont-believe-...

Yes, it is hard because even here in supposedly enlightened and fair minded Hacker News, even just making comments about his unequivocal support for slapping women, it is met with ridiculous downvotes, claims that there’s “a time and a place” to criticize abuse (and that this apparently isn’t it) and various other mental gymnastics that either tacitly support misogyny or try to deflect rightful criticism of misogyny into some meta debate about good vs bad, remembering the good in people and other plainly irrelevant platitudes.

And that’s just the vitriolic response I’m getting as a commenter on an internet forum. You can start to see the ways in which abuse and rape victims, for example, are dismissed, blamed, insulted and ignored.

As for the article you linked, it’s very specious to suggest that is a defense or mitigates Connery’s endorsement on national television of slapping women. It’s obviously a quick PR filler piece to run interference on his choice to decline that Holyrood interview knowing he would be grilled on his abuse comments, purely and obviously self-serving and obviously not any type of sincere apology or retraction of his earlier remarks.

It would have been trivially easy for him to make a press release specifically apologizing for and retracting the earlier remarks. Any little Scottish press article where he doesn’t even explicitly apologize and retract is just simply not something relevant to consider at all.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Reading these comments, I remembered an achievement award presented to him by Mike Myers. Very well done (and pretty touching at the end). https://youtu.be/KQYp8xJ4kpo

The ending was the best and it seemed like Connery teared up a little at the end too.

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I'm trying to decide if Red October or The Rock makes a better Halloween movie.

Oh noes, now I'm going to watch a movie starring Nicolas Cage and it's your fault.

Nicolas Cage starred in a lot of good movies. He also made a lot of bad films. The Rock happens to be one of the good ones.
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