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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by wolco2 »

jojo2333 wrote: post #123
dragosmocrii wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

uhh lol, just because you own an iPhone doesn't mean you get all the features like Apple Music, etc. I can think of a ton of examples where what you're saying is nonsensical.

I bought this android phone.

I can download games and play them whenever.

If I want phone service I have to hook this phone up to a service provider.

If I want music I have either put an mp3 on the phone, visit youtube, subscribe to a service like spotify or google music.

Apple Music is a seperate service like spotify correct?

Venders will bundle in their own services into the os menus in order to extract additional cash.

Apple Music isn't a feature of the iphone os. It's an ad designed to trick you.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dogma1138 »

dragosmocrii wrote: post #74
ydlr wrote: post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

On one hand they shouldn’t on another hand “performance modes” are often priced based on the wear and tear they induce and it’s impact on the manufacturer warranty in terms of servicing costs.

Even before Tesla you already had car manufacturers that basically locked out performance behind a pay wall even tho the car itself was identical to the “sport model”.

Many of the German manufacturers had this practice for a decade if not more, the extra price difference is basically their estimated cost to the changes in MTF between when you push your car to 80-90% of its capability to 100%.

And even before Tesla you already had aftermarket products and services that were designed to unlock that extra performance and yes they did often at least in principal voided the warranty.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by mensetmanusman »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #84
busterarm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telsa is junking out cars with minor fender damage and no frame/battery problems because they don't have the labor pool available to recertify their cars. The insurance companies would much prefer minor repairs than to write off the whole asset, but they can't get quality work done to the asset. This practice is driving up _everyone's_ insurance rates.

Why would it not just drive up Tesla owners’ insurance rates? I guess it might affect everyone if it increases liability costs in cases where the Tesla driver is not at fault, but I imagine that’s an extremely minor portion of expenses considering the tiny proportion of Tesla cars.

Because all vehicles are getting more complicated with sensor recalibration requirements.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by giantg2 »

natosaichek wrote: post #135
giantg2 wrote: post #6

All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

Chevy is putting together an electric conversion kit: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/chevrolet-readies-an-el... I think solutions like this will be best for the near future for folks who want a car with an electric motor, rather than a cell phone you can rent to drive places. It seems like every manufacturer is generally going higher and higher grade on feature set and (some) performance metrics, and saying "sc…

Thanks! I had heard of some third party conversions, but hadn't heard of GM's.

Yeah, my old 89 caprice had a computer, but the wiring wasn't too bad. Of course the self diagnostics were not very advanced which makes some troubleshooting more difficult. Ah, the days of bending a paperclip and sticking it into the OBD port...

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by mensetmanusman »

KMnO4 wrote: post #5

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it. A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again? That said, that approach may piss off peo…

Just give people the option of doing either.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by [deleted] »

ydlr wrote: post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by beervirus »

crazygringo wrote: post #12

None of this adds up -- there must be details missing. First, if a dealer advertises a car with a feature and the car is missing that feature, then you have recourse -- with the dealer. Second, how does Tesla even know that a car has changed owners? What triggered Tesla disabling the feature at this time for this car? I mean look, if you want to sell your Tesla back to an official Tesla dealer and they have an agreem…

There’s some confusion in the article between normal private sales vs. buying a salvage car that has been totaled. They’re different situations.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by mensetmanusman »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #70
thrill wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do own the car. You just don't own the service.

Self driving is not a service, it is a feature of the car.

Maybe, or maybe not, self driving requires constant improvement and a herd of programmers continuing to serve the service and improve it.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by gjvc »

teraflop wrote: post #104
tedunangst wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just described basically every consumer motherboard with raid. It's there in the chipset, but requires a key to unlock.

Every consumer motherboard that I've bought in the last decade or more has supported RAID, and none of them have required any additional purchase to "unlock" it.

I've seen supermicro boards in the past 5 years which have this.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by carlmr »

wolco2 wrote: post #125
jliptzin wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flip side, what if they have an idea to improve battery life through software, but it will require significant R&D. If everyone were like you and refuses to pay for any software updates whatsoever, they wouldn’t want to make the investment.

Normally a big improvement with additional costs would go into the next model. I think charging for a hardware replacement is acceptable. A pure software update fixing an existing issue I would say no. Car companies have recalls all of the time paid for by the company when something doesn't work as expected. A software recall should be treated the same as a hardware recall.

But that wasn't the point of the previous poster. We're not talking about an existing issue if the car performs according to the spec you bought with it. Then that's a performance upgrade.

The question is basically whether it's an issue or something that works as intended but could be better.

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