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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ksherlock »

giantg2 wrote: post #24
maxerickson wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ford has an electric F-150 scheduled for 2022, and it appears to be less of a "special project" than the Hummer.

Yeah, I think they are with Rivian. It was marketed as a regular powertrain option.

The Ford/Lincoln/Rivian SUV was canceled (or all eat postponed) earlier this year because we're in the middle of a global pandemic. Ford still has an ownership stake in Rivian but they're also building some EVs without Rivian (Mustang Mach-E, Transit, F150, etc). And Ford also has an agreement with VW for building vehicles based on the MEB platform.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by RyJones »

ydlr wrote: post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

this is already a thing in the used car market for people with really bad credit.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by XMPPwocky »

agumonkey wrote: post #81
dragosmocrii wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

Bro hardware with improper software can break or kill. They pushed the hardware in advance because .. it's 'hard'ware. Then they tried optimized motor control. If they gave you beta motor logic they'd have to fix whatever would burn or fail.

> Bro hardware with improper software can break or kill.

To be fair, this doesn't seem to have stopped Tesla before.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by agumonkey »

dragosmocrii wrote: post #88
agumonkey wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro hardware with improper software can break or kill. They pushed the hardware in advance because .. it's 'hard'ware. Then they tried optimized motor control. If they gave you beta motor logic they'd have to fix whatever would burn or fail.

Sure, software and hardware come together. However the price of software should be factored in the price of the product itself (hardware + software). I am paying for both to own the product. If they issue a software update that makes better use of hardware, it means they failed to release good software to begin with (ofc perfect software doesn't exist). Now imagine if they found a way to increase battery life just wi…

First, sorry as I misread your comment and was cold.

Indeed they're trying to milk the software side. But it's business as usual I believe. You paid for some specs, everything else is off contract. Unless they promised otherwise.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by jliptzin »

dragosmocrii wrote: post #88
agumonkey wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro hardware with improper software can break or kill. They pushed the hardware in advance because .. it's 'hard'ware. Then they tried optimized motor control. If they gave you beta motor logic they'd have to fix whatever would burn or fail.

Sure, software and hardware come together. However the price of software should be factored in the price of the product itself (hardware + software). I am paying for both to own the product. If they issue a software update that makes better use of hardware, it means they failed to release good software to begin with (ofc perfect software doesn't exist). Now imagine if they found a way to increase battery life just wi…

On the flip side, what if they have an idea to improve battery life through software, but it will require significant R&D. If everyone were like you and refuses to pay for any software updates whatsoever, they wouldn’t want to make the investment.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by tedunangst »

Okawari wrote: post #80
thefounder wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pay for software updates/upgrades on your PC, right? Like it or not you don't own rhings anymore. Neither software or hardware. Everything is going towards subscription models.

Sure. But I wouldn't accept my motherboard supplier locking hardware features behind software updates either. Like if my can do pci express 16x. I wouldn't think it is right that it only does 8x unless I pay for a software unlock

You just described basically every consumer motherboard with raid. It's there in the chipset, but requires a key to unlock.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by rasz »

marcinzm wrote: post #15
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

One of the most common reasons for Salvage title in Ohklahoma is hail damage.

"In Oklahoma, the insurance companies will declare a total loss and deem a vehicle as salvage when the damage is greater than 60% of the fair market value of the vehicle."

PBR is ~$3K, anything more severe and they will write whole car down due to cosmetic damage.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by globular-toast »

I own a VW and while it is a top-spec model and has most of the optional hardware, there was quite a lot of stuff disabled in software. For example, cruise control was available after replacing a switch. I have enabled a "needle sweep" which was only available on Audis and a fog light turn thing which was only available on Seats (I think). I can do this stuff because I own my car. You don't own a Tesla.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by myko »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #38
kadoban wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to act like a charity and nobody expects them to. They should decide if the features are a purchase or not, if they are why are they taking them back? If they're not, why are they selling them like purchases?

I don’t see anything in my purchase agreement that indicates you own it or can resell your Autopilot license. Agree the messaging could be improved.

When I bought Autopilot I asked about taking it to another Tesla if I bought one, and was told it belonged to the car. Meaning when I sell the vehicle I assumed I could advertise that I was selling Autopilot with it. Tesla is 100% in the wrong here.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by kccqzy »

dragosmocrii wrote: post #74
ydlr wrote: post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

How is this different from any other paid software upgrades? You pay to get better features.
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