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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by [deleted] »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #28
refurb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But isn't that every company that has every sold a product? I mean, they aren't giving it away.

There is a belief running around that Tesla should act like a charity instead of a business while trying to claw its way up to a volume automaker. Software sales are high margin compared to physical auto sales. Tesla is free to do whatever is supported by contract law as it relates to software licensing, including stripping licenses off vehicles when transfers (like trade ins) done through Tesla (versus a private tra…

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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by encom »

KMnO4 wrote: post #5

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it. A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again? That said, that approach may piss off peo…

The day I need an account to use my car, is the day I stop driving.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by busterarm »

marcinzm wrote: post #15
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

Telsa is junking out cars with minor fender damage and no frame/battery problems because they don't have the labor pool available to recertify their cars.

The insurance companies would much prefer minor repairs than to write off the whole asset, but they can't get quality work done to the asset.

This practice is driving up _everyone's_ insurance rates.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by rndgermandude »

marcinzm wrote: post #15
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

I read in the past that Tesla does this also to normal used cars that weren't totaled and salvaged.

Either way, you paid for it, and even it it's technically "totaled" it's still fucking yours. When Tesla disables functionality remotely, they don't say it's because the warranty ran out or because it's unsafe now, they say they are happy to re-enable it for fresh money.

That's why I wouldn't buy a Tesla (or any car of a manufacturer pulling the same crap) now, and if I did already buy one, would be looking into filing a class action against the company, because remotely disabling features like that that you already paid for is fraud.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dcow »

ncallaway wrote: post #8
KMnO4 wrote: post #5

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it. A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again? That said, that approach may piss off peo…

I agree. It should either be tied to the account holder, and transfer from vehicle to vehicle owned by that person, or be attached to the car and be transferred right along with every other part of the car. From a little bit of reading, it really seems like TSLA is trying to have it both ways on this, where it can just disappear after any private transaction? The fact that there's question here is insane. This should…

FSD and other software upgrades follow the car. Cars can transfer owners just fine. If the car is wrecked and declared salvage, the software value is gone and only the parts can be used. If you rebuild the VIN you don’t magically get the software features back because in the Tesla DB it’s a salvaged car and they can’t (or won’t) be liable for it.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by alextheparrot »

marcinzm wrote: post #15
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

A salvage title doesn't necessarily mean the car is junk, though. The fact that you can revive a salvage title clearly shows this. A lot of the cars my family has driven were revived by my father, it is economical and more sustainable in my opinion.

I personally don't support any attempts by auto makers to make cars more disposable.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by busterarm »

rndgermandude wrote: post #45
marcinzm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

I read in the past that Tesla does this also to normal used cars that weren't totaled and salvaged. Either way, you paid for it, and even it it's technically "totaled" it's still fucking yours. When Tesla disables functionality remotely, they don't say it's because the warranty ran out or because it's unsafe now, they say they are happy to re-enable it for fresh money. That's why I wouldn't buy a Tesla (or any car of…

You should read into the supercharging debacle, where they charged people $10k to recertify their used/salvage Teslas for supercharging and then later changed their minds and disabled the feature (except for Model 3s) again for those who paid.

Even if you buy a used Tesla direct, it can take _months_ before they get it to you.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by marcinzm »

rndgermandude wrote: post #45
marcinzm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

I read in the past that Tesla does this also to normal used cars that weren't totaled and salvaged. Either way, you paid for it, and even it it's technically "totaled" it's still fucking yours. When Tesla disables functionality remotely, they don't say it's because the warranty ran out or because it's unsafe now, they say they are happy to re-enable it for fresh money. That's why I wouldn't buy a Tesla (or any car of…

>Either way, you paid for it, and even it it's technically "totaled" it's still fucking yours.

Technically, the insurance company probably owns it as they paid you for it after declaring it totaled.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by kadoban »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #38
kadoban wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to act like a charity and nobody expects them to. They should decide if the features are a purchase or not, if they are why are they taking them back? If they're not, why are they selling them like purchases?

I don’t see anything in my purchase agreement that indicates you own it or can resell your Autopilot license. Agree the messaging could be improved.

Then they're selling features for tens of thousands of dollars and what are you buying? Do even they know? Sounds like they're deciding retroactively case-by-case what the original purchase meant.
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