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Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by strstr »

chrisweekly wrote: post #279
strstr wrote: post #240

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This seems like an uncharitable take: OP seems to be arguing you should focus on what you can measure (even if it’s personal experience), and seek guidance when you need help. The concrete advice at the end seems pretty supported by science. Drinking and smoking are definitively bad for you.

smoking - yes, it's incontrovertible. drinking - less clear; mortality rates for teetotallers (total abstinence) are higher than for even moderate to heavy drinkers, and there are health benefits from eg 1-2 servings of red wine. IMHO the issue is the degree to which people slip from a drink or maybe 2, to 3 or maybe 4.

Most people that are sick stop drinking. This polluted the early studies on alcohol safety.

More recent studies have pointed in the direction of “no safe quantity of alcohol”.

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Post by ensiferum »

TheMightyLlama wrote: post #348
boltzmann_brain wrote: post #319

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This aligns exactly with my experience. The body is very reluctant to turn into fat reserves, as they the best source of energy and must be conserved. As you said, exercise helps, and another trick to eat some carbs every three or so days to convince your body to start burning fat.

How does eating carbs convince your body to start consuming fat?

Presumably by giving the signal that "food is available" and the system can break out of the hypocaloric energy preservation state. The problem is that the fat deposits are extremely valuable (in a non overweight person) and as one enters a hypocaloric state they become more valuable. I.e your body will rather throttle down metabolism and energy levels farther than start breaking down the fat for energy. Eating some carbs can healp to break this pattern.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

ensiferum wrote: post #352
TheMightyLlama wrote: post #348

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How does eating carbs convince your body to start consuming fat?

Presumably by giving the signal that "food is available" and the system can break out of the hypocaloric energy preservation state. The problem is that the fat deposits are extremely valuable (in a non overweight person) and as one enters a hypocaloric state they become more valuable. I.e your body will rather throttle down metabolism and energy levels farther than start breaking down the fat for energy. Eating some…

I don't think the body works like that. After you eat carbs, your insulin level goes up and the cells get the glucose in them. If there's more than they can take, it is put into the adipose tissue as fat. Eating carbs once every 3 days is in no way telling the body that there is enough food, quite the contrary actually (all this is just my opinion).

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Post by Cytobit »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #216
DoreenMichele wrote: post #129

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Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). Foods containing rosemary, sage and dill are some things I find helpful with anxiety. Also licorice with real licorice extract.

Liquorice is an adaptogen that helps balance cortisol levels and balance the adrenals. The other are merely anti inflammatory. Another effective herb for anxiety would be holy basil or tulsi. Easy to grow everywhere. Leaving a few leaves of holy basil in a copper container overnight and having a few sips in the morning on an empty stomach is my old grandmother’s remedy/morning ritual. Later when I started growing hol…

Wikipedia basically says there is not evidence for adaptogens being beneficial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptogen

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by Cytobit »

NoRagrets wrote: post #343
aiisjustanif wrote: post #302

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Holy basil is also used as an anti inflammatory consumable. It’s anti anxiety property has as much proof as its anti inflammatory property [1], which is to say like most herbal supplements the jury is out. If you want to go the herbal route I think commonly used herbs with more of a medical precedent could be useful like: - Garlic - Ginseng - Green Tea - Aloe Vera - Ginger - Chamomile [1] Singh, S., Majumdar, D. K.,…

I cant say holy basil is the best anti inflammatory. Maybe. It is mostly used as an adaptogen to balance adrenals and bring down cortisol levels. It can be used as an all around herbal support because it will always ‘balance’ hormones and naturally occurring steroids(like cortisol). So as an adaptogen, gentle and no side effects. Rosemary has good anti inflammation properties and it’s proven. However turmeric is supe…

Wikipedia basically says there is not evidence for adaptogens being beneficial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptogen

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by tootie »

kaesar14 wrote: post #326
tootie wrote: post #323

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Just anecdotal, but I did 12-8 fasting for a few months and it was not at all effective. I was starving half the day and didn't lose any weight at all. Mornings were tough and I was achy and cranky by 11am. 3 months in and my body never adjusted. I switched back to a normal meal schedule and felt better and didn't change weight up or down.

Do you have to get up quite early in the morning? Only reason I ask is because half the day being the time until 12 is surprising -- after your midday meal, if you've constructed your meal properly, you should ideally not be hungry until dinner. I think IF needs to be paired with a mindfulness about what you're eating -- having toast with butter for lunch will not work.

Usually like 7:30. Had to get kids to school. I always eat pretty wholesome food with lots of whole grain and vegetable. When I was doing IF, I needed a big lunch to regain my senses and frequently didn't make it to 6PM without needing another dose of food. I suspect I was fitting my normal calorie intake in that window. If the goal was to somehow trick my metabolism into wanting fewer calories, I don't think it worked at all.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by kashif »

jack_pp wrote: post #254
kashif wrote: post #238

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This is really bad advice. Its important to do actual science and not run on anecdotes.

What is actual science? Are studies asking people how many times they eat food X per week and correlating on that information science? The study in the link has a sample size of 14, is that ” actual” science?

Actual science requires the "scientific method" to be followed. Which implies, loosely, that experiments yield repeatable results.

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Post by mrtksn »

nethunters wrote: post #299
mrtksn wrote: post #211

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Looks very imprecise considering the precision timing of the usual prayers(The prayers start at very exact astronomical time, in a large city like Istanbul you can hear a mosque from a far , then closer and closer ones start the broadcast, then the mosque next to you, then the ones far from you. You can literally observe earths rotation from mosque timings). There's no such thing like national prayer time, muslims us…

The timings for prayers and months have to be precise that is correct but for example, what happens when the moon for Ramadan hasn't been sighted (it starts when the first crescent of the new moon is sighted). In that instance you would follow your neighbouring country. It is true that there are slight variations in the prayer timings between cities so hence when looking at the neighbouring country you would obviousl…

Thanks for the detailed explanation

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Post by hutzlibu »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #342
hutzlibu wrote: post #250

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Not true. Many types of cancer can be spotted early on, if you pay attention to your body and know where to look at. And go to a medical check, if there are warning signs.

What types of cancer can be spotted early on? What does "early on" mean?

Skin cancer:

Checkung nevus. Early on means, if you notice them changing size and color - have them checked and maybe removed. No spreading skin cancer as a result

Breast cancer: feeling knots, etc. are warning signs.

Lung cancer: pain

Brain cancer:

certain types of headaches can be ignored with pills, or checked

etc. etc.

I am not aware of any cancer, which has no warning signs. But yes, most if not all signs are not a guaranteed test result. And in fact, it probably does not helping many people freaking out, when they notice warning signs, caused by harmles other causes. But doing so in a rational manner definitely increases your chances of early spotting.

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