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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by TechBro8615 »

reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

The NBC article is focused on an anonymously drafted report, which was mostly a dump of open source intel. The article criticizes that report for using a fake persona as its author. The initial disseminator of the report (who may or may not be the author of it as well) cites privacy and fear of retribution as reasons for publishing anonymously.

What the NBC article does not do is address or refute any of the facts in the report. It also ignores a lot of relevant back story and fails to make connections between this report, Hunter's laptop, and Tony Bobulinski.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nl »

Nacdor wrote: post #407
gkoberger wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It was a choice, and one he was allowed to make, but it was one of many options. You say "the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative". Isn't that what I'm talking about? He founded the org. Do you think "the liberal media" got together and decided to censor him? Or do you think people just weren't buyi…

> I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It's absolutely fair and the Mueller Report proved Greenwald was right all along: https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m... > it's not like he works for MSNBC or CNN. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy among liberal journalists in order for them to engage in the partisan censorship he describes. It's clear that most of them…

> It's absolutely fair and the Mueller Report proved Greenwald was right all along

So says... Greenwald.

He's doing a classic strawman: claiming that the "Russian interference" claim was that the Trump campaign co-ordinated with Russia. Outside some fringe beliefs that isn't the claim: instead it was that Russia interfered in the election which was exactly what the report found.

It found Russian intelligence agencies hacked the DNC, stole the emails and disseminated them via DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0 and Wikileaks.

In regards to involvement of Trump campaign personnel, Greenwald conveniently leaves out the multiple mentions of Paul Manfort (pg 52-55) which the Republican-led intelligence committee confirms "One of Manafort’s closest aides during his time in Ukraine was Konstantin Kilimnik, who the Senate report identifies as a Russian intelligence officer."

It's ironic that Greenwald would do what he claims other publications do: only publish material which confirms his views.

[1] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

[2] https://theintercept.com/2020/09/03/trump-russia-senate-repo...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jessaustin »

LinuxBender wrote: post #162

Somewhat Off Topic: Glen just did an interview on Joe Rogan [1]. I would suggest it may be worth watching for those interested in this. He discussed some of these issues. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rcLsoIKgA

Lots of people will listen to or see this one. Rogan is very popular.

https://www.edisonresearch.com/the-top-30-u-s-podcasts-accor...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by rainonmoon »

Nacdor wrote: post #407
gkoberger wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It was a choice, and one he was allowed to make, but it was one of many options. You say "the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative". Isn't that what I'm talking about? He founded the org. Do you think "the liberal media" got together and decided to censor him? Or do you think people just weren't buyi…

> I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It's absolutely fair and the Mueller Report proved Greenwald was right all along: https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m... > it's not like he works for MSNBC or CNN. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy among liberal journalists in order for them to engage in the partisan censorship he describes. It's clear that most of them…

Linking to an article by Greenwald about how Greenwald was right all along is pretty spurious, to say the least. Even more so when there are plenty of non-Greenwald sources, like the ones involved in the Special Counsel investigation, which state exactly the opposite. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/04/complete-...

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Post by jessaustin »

rat87 wrote: post #483
nightowl_games wrote: post #103

This breaks my heart for the world, but it increases my respect of Glenn. Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi are my only two journalists I really seek out and follow. Glenn especially. I was of the belief that The Intercept was a valid source solely because of Glenn. I believe Glenn. I will follow Glenn.

I don't know why Both of them seem to have bought into insane conspiracy theories about the actual Russian collision with the Trump campaign

A "conspiracy theory" is when one believes in hidden events without evidence. For example, the idea that Trump and Russia "colluded" [what would that even mean?], of which we've never seen any verifiable evidence. The most solid backing for that theory is anonymous leaks. The skepticism of Taibbi or Greenwald is the opposite of that.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by justnotworthit »

CogentHedgehog wrote: post #470
r721 wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Betsy Reed's statement: https://twitter.com/ErikWemple/status/1321896097099489283 https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

There we go. A journalist is supposed to follow the facts wherever they go -- even if it reveals something they're uncomfortable with. They build a reputation by researching and checking their stories, and not running stories unless the facts hold up. Greenwald made his name with quality investigative journalism. It sounds like he has fallen from this standard by trying to run a story with dubious political talking p…

> There we go.

Why did you not believe the first side you heard but you believed the second? Or is your conclusion making sense of both?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by JabavuAdams »

burlesona wrote: post #373

Honest question: is it just me or is it getting harder to determine what is factual and what is not? It seems like the US has begun to splinter such that there are two different sets of "facts" on many issues, but of course that is not how facts work. Nevertheless, when doing research and investigation is it often hard for me to pin down the truth behind any of the "facts" that are thrown at me, whether that's by the…

Your feed is not the same as your compatriot's feed. _The Social Dilemma_ explains how this leads to splintering.

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Post by temp8964 »

reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

How does this nbc news related to Glenn's writing?

Because there is a fake story on Biden, so all Biden stories should be censored? Wow, I hope you discovered this principal at the time of the golden showers story.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jessaustin »

codq wrote: post #87
1980phipsi wrote: post #29

Is there anything worth reading by the Intercept excepting Greenwald?

Ryan Grim and Jeremy Scahill are consistently fantastic.

I agree. "Deconstructed" is better since Mehdi moved somewhat on to greener pastures. Anyway, neither Grim nor Scahill seem to have disagreed much with Greenwald, that I can recall. He certainly enjoyed this episode of "Intercepted":

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/27/the-day-after-mueller/

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Post by irencecara »

lordnacho wrote: post #316
gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

This is why the Economist, FT and the WSJ still have a somewhat positive reputation. They're expensive and tend to write about things that are important, not sensational. All other publications are slowly falling victim to the parametdynamicser of the entertainment game, including ones that were also in that bracket not long ago. Mind you I'm not saying WaPo and NYT are trash now, they did start with a high rep and t…

The Economist has just endorsed Joe Biden for president.
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