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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by mikeyouse »

ptmcc wrote: post #135
nimbius wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is G…

> his character is beyond the pale I don't think this means what you think it means. You just insulted his character, not praised it.

Probably meant beyond reproach - but yep.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by anoonmoose »

starkd wrote: post #89
1980phipsi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would withhold any opinion that it is a "garbage story" until actually reading it...

You can't do that if its censored.

It hasn't been, though. Private citizens of a private company opted not to publish it in their paper, and that's not the same thing.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

ehsankia wrote: post #60
jtdev wrote: post #25

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What leads you to believe that he was trying to spread misinformation? The suppression of criticism leveled against Joe Biden or any other individual in public service is a grave danger to democracy. I commend Mr. Greenwald for standing up to censorship.

Please entertain the possibility for a moment, whether you agree with it or not, that this story was indeed planted by a foreign nation for the specific purpose of manipulating our election. Do you then believe that it is responsible to willfully help spread it and blast it all over every social media site? Aren't you doing the foreign nation's bidding then? If you do agree there, then where would you draw the line f…

I don't agree with the premise of the discussion. Consider for a less controversial example the iPhone 12. It seems obvious that:

* Much of the discussion about the iPhone 12 is part of Apple's deliberate strategy to sell phones.

* The media is in some sense being exploited; Apple wouldn't sell so many iPhone 12s if not for media discussion of it.

* An outlet that refused as a blanket policy to discuss the iPhone 12 would present its readers with an inaccurate view of the world.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jtbayly »

whimsicalism wrote: post #97
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #47

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Exactly. This looks much more like Greenwald trying to capitalize on hype. The entire spectrum of details around the Biden emails has been roundly debunked and there is tons of evidence to suggest it’s illegitimately sourced by agents directly directed by Trump, from sources with active incentives to try to damage Biden. It is responsible to decline to run this story. It only serves to feed conspiracy theories and dr…

> Exactly. This looks much more like Greenwald trying to capitalize on hype. The entire spectrum of details around the Biden emails has been roundly debunked Oh please. Let's try to keep the "post-truth" ethos on the Right, rather than adopting it ourselves, mmkay?

Is it your presumption that only people not "on the Right" are allowed on HN?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nostromo »

karl11 wrote: post #117
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

This appears to be correct. Most media outlets now are activists pretending to be journalists, run by businesspeople who care about revenue more than truth.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by whimsicalism »

gameswithgo wrote: post #127
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

Greenwald has never operated in a way that concerns itself with the consequences of actions. The philosophy is "we report, freely, what we believe to be true and fair, and whats comes of it does not matter". I am personally torn on this kind of philosophy. Would that everyone was like this, but since they are not, surely there are times when too much is on the line to behave this way? He explicitly talks about this a…

This is where the distinction between "act" and "rule" consequentialism becomes important.

Perhaps there is "too much" on the line, but I think that we live in a complex world, it is difficult to estimate the downstream impacts of your action, and that every time you choose to suppress a story due to potential political consequences, you are undermining broader "trust."

Better to default to reporting freely since, as a rule, suppressing stories generally erodes trust, whereas the direct downstream impact of airing a specific story can be difficult to estimate in a complex world.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by chaganated »

yoichi shimatsu made a compelling argument that "the intercept" is basically a honeypot for catching usgov whistleblowers. yoichi is a little out there, but given the track record--snowden, manning, winner--perhaps he's on the genius side of the line instead of the insanity side on this particular issue?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by yasp »

stumblers wrote: post #156
nimbius wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is G…

I think Glen Greenwald was one of the more respected journalists but isn't any longer. I think he either has crossed over or will soon cross over into Seymour Hersh territory (sadly). Mr. Hersh was an amazing investigative journalist that made a huge difference in how we can keep gov't accountable but has ended up (largely) a discredited hack, which is a shame.

What discredited Sy Hersh?
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