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Re: Woman allegedly impersonated prosecutor, dropped charges against herself

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edit- after reading up on this, I'm not sure where you got your information from but everything I could find shows it to just be the common detective/mystery trope.

It just follows logically that historically some powerful families would have paid off a fall guy if necessary, and they could have used a butler in some cases. This could've been the origin of the term, before it even showed up in murder mysteries. Perhaps from the 1700s

>This could've been the origin of the term, before it even showed up in murder mysteries. Perhaps from the 1700s

The thing is, it doesn't show up in murder mysteries themselves (except only as a fourth-wall breaking meta-reference to the trope).

It originates with murder mystery readers -- as the name of a trope.

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One has to wonder what legal frauds, asset grabs, and impersonations have transpired that were never discovered. Some perspective on this is the story of Alves dos Reis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alves_dos_Reis ) who in 1924 stole ~1% of Portugal's GDP in bank notes printed under forged orders. The scheme may have never been uncovered had Reis succeeded in maintaining a controlling interest in the Bank of Portug…

Part of my practice is financial fraud investigation. >One has to wonder what legal frauds, asset grabs, and impersonations have transpired that were never discovered. A lot. More than you'd expect. And by people and organizations you wouldn't expect. However, most people are objectively terrible at performing fraud. The things that ultimately lead to people being caught are so simple.

I wonder how many people get away with fraud because so many other people are so bad at it.

Perhaps being just better than terrible is enough to not be found out because things are generally as they seem.

Re: Woman allegedly impersonated prosecutor, dropped charges against herself

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Part of my practice is financial fraud investigation. >One has to wonder what legal frauds, asset grabs, and impersonations have transpired that were never discovered. A lot. More than you'd expect. And by people and organizations you wouldn't expect. However, most people are objectively terrible at performing fraud. The things that ultimately lead to people being caught are so simple.

What are the types of mistakes that commonly lead to people being caught? I'm asking, uh, for a friend. :-)

Pretending to be asking for a friend on a public forum is a common one...

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> It took me ages to realise that butlers aren’t naturally villainous, but rather were expected to take the fall for any malfeasance committed by the family. I just realized that in Oct 28th, 2020. Thanks for that.

This might or might not be true, but it's not the origin of "the butler did it". The origin of the phrase is in the classical detective story trope.

> The origin of the phrase is in the classical detective story trope.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, itself doesn't derive from household staff taking the fall for their employers, but from them being omnipresent but, by strong social custom, ignored.

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This seems similar to the Catholic concept of buying indulgences as a carbon offset type concept against sins. Pay to play

That is a common misunderstanding of canonical Catholic teaching about "indulgentia a culpa et a poena". Keeping the carbon offset analogy, an indulgence in the Catholic sense would be more akin to first making sure you are carbon neutral (all parties are at peace and forgiven/reconciled), then you spend %10 of your salary to go beyond that and offset the carbon credits of the person you wronged.

Until Teztel started selling carbon offsets for dead polluters. An offered coin springs a dead soul from purgatory.

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Jeez I’m wondering what the going price would be for that today.

I've seen reports that it's somewhat common for the rich in China[1], so there might be some info on what it costs there, and maybe some extrapolation could be made. Either the "serve prison in lieu of me" or "say you were the one that committed the crime" version. There are weird perverse incentives at play in some of the laws of criminal justice system in China.[2] 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4339051 2:…

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Yep, so far "We can't serve you for legal reasons AKA we won't comply with the reasonable provisions of data protection" has been met with a broad shrug .

What's anyone supposed to do about it? GDPR didn't exactly provide funding to help anyone get compliant and it's hard to argue that GDPR compliance is a priority for a struggling local media site. It's a bummer, but I think it was inevitable in the way the law is structured.

> What's anyone supposed to do about it?

Show a basic level of respect for your users' privacy whether or not it's not a legal requirement.

Re: Woman allegedly impersonated prosecutor, dropped charges against herself

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That is a common misunderstanding of canonical Catholic teaching about "indulgentia a culpa et a poena". Keeping the carbon offset analogy, an indulgence in the Catholic sense would be more akin to first making sure you are carbon neutral (all parties are at peace and forgiven/reconciled), then you spend %10 of your salary to go beyond that and offset the carbon credits of the person you wronged.

Until Teztel started selling carbon offsets for dead polluters. An offered coin springs a dead soul from purgatory.

Sounds like a new ICO opportunity :)

Would be interesting if there were a climate change coin...

oh wait, https://earth-token.com/

Re: Woman allegedly impersonated prosecutor, dropped charges against herself

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One has to wonder what legal frauds, asset grabs, and impersonations have transpired that were never discovered. Some perspective on this is the story of Alves dos Reis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alves_dos_Reis ) who in 1924 stole ~1% of Portugal's GDP in bank notes printed under forged orders. The scheme may have never been uncovered had Reis succeeded in maintaining a controlling interest in the Bank of Portug…

Here in Germany we had a few cases where persons worked as hospital doctors for a few years without a license or diploma or even any medical training. They usually submitted a fake license to the hospital. There was a spectacular case in the 1990s where a former postal employee named himself "Dr. med. Dr. phil. Clemens Bartholdy" and later worked as a senior physician in a psychiatric hospital, also giving lectures […

In Pakistan, apparently pilots would fly with fake licenses and it was known to the authorities: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/business/pakistan-fake-pilot-...

Re: Woman allegedly impersonated prosecutor, dropped charges against herself

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> I guess this brings up and interesting issue -- once someone knows the ins and outs of a system, sometimes there are very few barriers internally to check that an order/paperwork is legit. I used to work as a criminal defense attorney, and the job regularly required that I obtain subpoenas from the court in order to mandate a witness's appearance at court. My state courts have a template that subpoenas must follow,…

> I don't think there's a ton of value someone could get out of obtaining a fake subpoena (other than perhaps issuing your own self a subpoena as an excuse to get out of work, or maybe just to screw with someone) That would make a great plot for George on Seinfeld.

I'm so sorry Mistah Steinbrenner I can't come in tomorrow, you see I've actually been subpoenaed to testify at a trial.

What trial? Uh, well, it's over a case with, um, an Architect, Art Vandelay, who, um, was was contracted to, uh, redesign the Lincoln Tunnel with a system of magnets so the cars would all go through at the same speed, but, uh his idea, you see, was stolen by a Mr. Pennypacker, a wealthy industrialist.

It's really a case of the century. Um. So, I actually have to go now.

(Proceeds to go home and eat a block of cheese the size of a car battery.)

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