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Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by Razengan »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #275
benhurmarcel wrote: post #251

> For us, the ultimate benefit of being a native macOS app is that it puts the choice in your hands. Except the choice of using another brand of computer.

In the current world where Apple's computer choices are so restricted, locking yourself into that platform seems a bad idea. I was a Mac only user for about 19 years but was forced to use PCs again recently because Apple just didn't sell a machine the level of performance I need for 3D/Video work, even if money were no object. I mean they sell the Mac Pro again now but it's embarrassing how much it's put to shame for…

> Apple just didn't sell a machine the level of performance I need for 3D/Video work, even if money were no object.

What level of performance do you need and how does the latest Mac Pro with AfterBurner and whatnot fall short of it?

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by Razengan »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #280
fxtentacle wrote: post #52

By now, I'd treat Apple-exclusive app developers for Stockholm syndrome. I used to build a Mac-only native app for real-time audio processing, which was great for battery life, snappy performance and had no latency. But the work that Apple pushed on me just to keep things running okay-ish across OS releases was too much to bear compared with the meager revenue of only serving 10% of the addressable market. By now, my…

>Apple is happy to sacrifice their loyal developers in the name of profits There are no product people left in charge at Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 Most of the product moves now are just BOM reductions or ways to milk more service revenue. Calling it now, the Native Mac OS App this blog post champions won't exist in 10 years. Apple will kill it because iPads and iPhones outnumber Macs, the nor…

> Calling it now, the Native Mac OS App this blog post champions won't exist in 10 years.

People have been predicting doom for Apple from various angles since the 1980s and they always end up having to eat their shoes:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500

If anything, Apple Silicon Macs will usher in a new era of Apple exclusivity, and you'll move on to predicting doom for their Next Big Thing. :)

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by Razengan »

fxtentacle wrote: post #52

By now, I'd treat Apple-exclusive app developers for Stockholm syndrome. I used to build a Mac-only native app for real-time audio processing, which was great for battery life, snappy performance and had no latency. But the work that Apple pushed on me just to keep things running okay-ish across OS releases was too much to bear compared with the meager revenue of only serving 10% of the addressable market. By now, my…

> my app is using a cross-platform C++ framework ... Windows and surprisingly Linux pay for development of new features

Which app is that?

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by throwaway743 »

yesimahuman wrote: post #13

I respect them for sticking to this, but I think it's a mistake. It's clear users in general don't care about an app being pure Mac OS controls/SDKs/etc. and their claims about it being a truly superior UX are unfounded (having used both regularly, Figma disproves that heavily). With this, Sketch isn't available on Windows nor the web (until very recently it seems?). I wouldn't die on that hill.

As someone fortunate enough to wfh, works in both dev and ux, and uses Windows and Ubuntu, I couldn't agree more.

Nearly want to shoot myself every time I'm told, "Hey, I'm sending over the Sketch file" or "sigh An Illustrator again? I wish you had a mac w/ Sketch when you made these wires".

I can't blame the people who say that, but god damn just release a windows version. There's Lunacy for windows, but it's buggy as hell.

Call me old fashion, but I'm sticking to Illustrator for the time being

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by arrayjumper »

shp0ngle wrote: post #247
valuearb wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s snappy for a web app. If it was a native app it would be mediocre.

the thing with web apps is - it's slow, but it is the Java's original goal from the 90s "write once, run everywhere" actually realized. Plus, built-in collaborativeness and automatic updates. And, easier to get developers. Native is nice, native is fast, and it will have its place (compare how bad is Google Meet compared to Zoom with respect to CPU/RAM), but web is becoming "good enough".

> Native is nice, native is fast

Only if you are using a Mac. On linux, the zoom client is neither fast nor (in my admittedly slightly subjective opinion) nice.

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by arrayjumper »

achow wrote: post #154
Justsignedup wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

figma is pretty freaken amazing, and it works outside of macs. So overall there is nothing but upsides to it. Collaboration is amazing too. Just... No down sides.

Fan of Figma, but would switch to a better one in a heartbeat because of the following huge downside.. Once you are in Figma, you are trapped forever. No way to get out your original editable artwork files. Buyer beware!

They have an API using which you get a json representation of your files. That is the same as sketch (whose file format is essentially zipped json files).

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by fareesh »

sgt wrote: post #209
fareesh wrote: post #172

macOS runs only on Apple Hardware. Perhaps things are different in countries where the laws are somewhat pro-consumer, but in poorer parts of the world, Apple is allowed to get away with operating pretty much like a criminal enterprise. Here in India 100% of the Apple products that I have had the misfortune of owning, have been defective. I have purchased them from authorized resellers, and they have been original pr…

Here in South Africa I have observed quite a significant growth in Apple's market share over the last 15 years. Unfortunately we don't deal directly with Apple, but rather franchises that make it seem like are working closely with Apple. Prices are relatively high but reasonable, and I haven't had issues with support. At my workplace: Apple devices are generally super reliable; and since we started giving Macs to all…

How long do the macs usually last before they need to be replaced?

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Razengan wrote: post #292
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple is happy to sacrifice their loyal developers in the name of profits There are no product people left in charge at Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 Most of the product moves now are just BOM reductions or ways to milk more service revenue. Calling it now, the Native Mac OS App this blog post champions won't exist in 10 years. Apple will kill it because iPads and iPhones outnumber Macs, the nor…

> Calling it now, the Native Mac OS App this blog post champions won't exist in 10 years. People have been predicting doom for Apple from various angles since the 1980s and they always end up having to eat their shoes: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 If anything, Apple Silicon Macs will usher in a new era of Apple exclusivity, and you'll move on to predicting doom for their Next Big Thing. :)

Why is what I'm proposing doom? The iPad is a more popular and modern platform than MacOS, MacOs users should be happy they now get to take advantage of that beloved ecosystem. (Well that's what the PR will say anyway)

Think you're missing the point what I'm making and passing it off as just general Apple negativity.

Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App

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Post by monsieurbanana »

arrayjumper wrote: post #295
shp0ngle wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the thing with web apps is - it's slow, but it is the Java's original goal from the 90s "write once, run everywhere" actually realized. Plus, built-in collaborativeness and automatic updates. And, easier to get developers. Native is nice, native is fast, and it will have its place (compare how bad is Google Meet compared to Zoom with respect to CPU/RAM), but web is becoming "good enough".

> Native is nice, native is fast Only if you are using a Mac. On linux, the zoom client is neither fast nor (in my admittedly slightly subjective opinion) nice.

That's an interesting anecdote, as I've only used zoom on linux, but not really related to what you quoted.
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