Some takes From Benedict Evans that are worth considering: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1320378054150148098... “Meanwhile: the NYU app has access to friend data in your feed and friend data is also in the ads it scrapes. And it replaces an actual security model with our trust that NYU are nice people and won't abuse this access. That is exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened.”
Cambridge Analytica happened with an app hosted on Facebook . This is hosted on your browser. So it’s not exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened because the trust model is completely different.
Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
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Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does.
That's enough? Any university with an IRB can scrape people's personal data?
This was _exactly_ the issue with CA, data for academics with an IRB laundered into a for-profit entity.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#73What to do, what to do.
[1] Brings to mind the hit-piece: "The Making of a YouTube Radical - The New York Times" article. But there is an ongoing effort to continue pushing Facebook, Twitter and YouTube into more and more censorship of anyone deemed on the right and the Overton window keeps getting smaller and smaller. The situation with the Hunter Biden laptop story and NYPost is absolutely bonkers. Not only do journalists at mainstream center/center-left news outfits not care that Twitter and Facebook outright decided that the story is false and therefore shouldn't be shared by anyone and banned the account of their colleagues at NYPost .. but worse, actually applaud it and justify it.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The whole point is that a major problem with CA was the scaled friend’s data collection. The NYU app scraping modality could easily do the same thing which violates the present FB consent/sharing model of you control your data going to or not going to third party apps. FB has to fight as hard as possible against such apps. Remember Clearview AI? If we want FB to fight CA and Clearview they must fight here as well.
> If we want FB to fight CA and Clearview they must fight here as well. Or they could partner with NYU, offer technical insight to maintain integrity and privacy (me stifles laughter) and do everything to support researchers who potentially could help build trust in their platform. Going after this group just isn't a good look if you're Facebook. If there are valid concerns then don't start with a Cease and Desist.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I’m your friend on Facebook should you be allowed to go to my page and give all the information I’ve shared with you to another 3rd party? You trust NYU, OK fine. Can I give the same information about you to pro-Trump researchers?
Yes the OP is absolutely allowed to do this. Their are consequences of befriending people in real life and online. It's up to you to decide who you befriend.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#76It's well within their rights as a private company, right? We need to have a serious discussion about the power these FAANGs are exerting and we need to stop making excuses for them.
Is it within the rights of a company to dictate what software I have installed on my personal machine? If Facebook wants to ban every account using the software that is within their rights, but they don't get a say in what I have installed.
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We hear you and understand how important this issue is
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make sure we don't put our customers and their data at
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UX improvements and future extensions to the platform.
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feedback from the developer community.
That is a cop out and you know it. An it administrator
or corporate is not using this extension and they would
lock down their users from installing BROWSER
extensions if they thought that was a security risk.
Thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate your
thoughts on this matter.
I'd like to pose a hypothetical to you if you don't
mind! Bearing in mind Slack is a product designed to
help teams work together and is geared towards business
and enterprises — imagine for a second we're working
with an enterprise considering adopting Slack and their
security team comes across this extension (or something
like it) — and identifies it as a
security/privacy/reliability concern. Our job is to
alleviate these concerns. They expect better from us
and we're doing our best to meet and even exceed those
expectations. We're certainly not perfect and we can
always do better — for businesses big and small and for
developers.
It is important to note here, we're learning from this
experience. We're working with the developer to find a
middle-ground which is beneficial to everyone involved.
We're reevaluating our processes for these situations.
We're listening to feedback from users such as yourself
and identifying areas we could improve.
I understand this has been a disappointing and
frustrating situation and I do apologise for any
difficulty it has caused you. I promise you, we're
working on it. I for one am very excited to see what
comes from this. It's been a learning opportunity for
us all.
Let me know if you have any questions, or suggestions.
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#77It's well within their rights as a private company, right? We need to have a serious discussion about the power these FAANGs are exerting and we need to stop making excuses for them.
"It's well within their rights as a private company, right?" To do what? What does that mean?
Only with pushback did they relent somewhat.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#78The world would have been a very different place had Facebook or other big companies built the internet.
The people who are taking over these companies, those people I'm afraid of because they are political and their first instinct is to push ideology and censorship.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I admit I use some Google services. At the same time, I have no relationship with the non G:s of FAANG, which arguably is 80% of them (though perhaps not 80% of the influence). I'm not sure how they can really be considered public utilities at that point. None of the services they provide are essential.
Much of the web is hosted on AWS. So, you have an invisible relationship with Amazon. Same with Facebook and their trackers, unless you block them.
Fair enough. I'm sure I use some web sites that are hosted on AWS, I did not consider that.
> Same with Facebook and their trackers, unless you block them.
That may be (though I block at least some of them), but that's hardly equivalent. I don't depend in any way on Facebook tracking me. If they stopped, I would certainly not suffer from it.
Re: Facebook has sent a cease-and-desist letter to researchers
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Weak take. All users of the NYU app have to explicitly sign up and grant the researchers access to their data. It has a very clear privacy policy: https://adobserver.org/privacy-policy/ And, unlike Facebook which sucks up an ever increasing amount of data on you, this project takes only basic demographic information (age group, gender, ethnicity) and what ads that you're shown. No personal data is retained by NYU.
The user signed up, but the app would have access to that user's friend's data who didn't sign up