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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by NeverFade »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #697
NeverFade wrote: post #597

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> NYP would have showed how they verified the information then twitter would have let them spread the info. Did Twitter or Facebook ever ask The Atlantic to "show them how they verified the information" about Trump calling war heroes "losers" and "suckers"? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-a... That story was based on 100% anonymous sourced. Unverified, unverifiable by definition. People who…

Twitter's official reason for blocking the account is because it has refused to delete a tweet linking to what the tweeter claims are stolen private photos and documents. Not because of fake news.

Twitter's official reason would require it to block the NYT for posting the story about Trump's tax returns since it is based on illegally-leaked private documents.

Yet Twitter did not block the NYT or its story. Instead, it blocked NYP, even though it had no evidence the NYP story was based on "stolen private documents", while the NYT story clearly and admittedly was.

Again, the double standard couldn't be more obvious.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by NeverFade »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #700
NeverFade wrote: post #614

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> Yes, from a man who happens to be legally blind and can't verify who dropped it off. Still more verifiable sources than the Atlantic and NYT stories, which were based on zero verifiable sources. > Turning up a week before the election? The Atlantic and NYT stories were also published very recently, also a few weeks before the election. > The was supposed to be a professional servicing a machine, he violated his cli…

One difference is that NYT isn't publishing the documents, only claims about them. Twitter doesn't censor unverifiable claims, such as the Presidents own claims about his tax returns. The Post refuses to take down the link to what they claim are private photos and documents. It seems pretty clear that they prefer to keep the conversation focused on the censorship of private photos (which they can then conflate with c…

If any story based on "private photos and documents" is to be blocked, then most news stories must be blocked on Twitter.

That includes the Snowden leaks, Panama Papers, the Pentagon Papers, virtually all Wikileaks releases, and many of the most important news stories of the past several decades.

Twitter pretends to have standards by which any news story can be censored, then uses that standard to very selectively block specific stories as they choose.

Also, from a journalistic perspective, it is much better to publish the source documents, as NYP has done, rather than quote from them liberally without publishing the original, as the NYT has done.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by NeverFade »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #702
NeverFade wrote: post #635

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The NYP story was blocked by Twitter and Facebook immediately upon publication. Why wasn't the "losers and suckers" story likewise blocked until it was verified? Both stories had no external verification upon publication. One was blocked immediately. The other never was. > The "losers and suckers" story was independently verified by NYT, WaPo, and AP. One can't "independently" verify a story based purely on anonymous…

The NYP asked for comment. What they didn't do was show Biden the laptop or documents they claimed were authentic. Then they ran a claim that Biden refused to refute the documents (without admitting that they refused to show him the documents or laptop.)

So we are now holding the NYP to impossible standards that no other publication must meet.

A paper is not even required to ask for a comment from a subject of an expose. Thousands of stories are posted on Twitter every day by news outlets that did not request or include a response from their subject.

Now we have people claiming that not only does NYP have to request a response from its subject, it must also provide them the subject with source material for their article. Ridiculous.

Also, Joe Biden isn't even the subject of the NYP article - Hunter Biden is. Yet you are implying that Joe Biden must have been given the full source materials of the article and an opportunity to examine and respond to them, or else Twitter can block the story.

Was Trump afforded the same opportunity to examine the source material of the NYT story about his supposed tax returns?

The NYT still hasn't released that source material!

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by Fjolsvith »

JohnBooty wrote: post #619
istjohn wrote: post #591

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Twitter isn't obligated to allow anyone to use their platform, but as a user, I don't want Twitter to curate what ideas and speakers I'm exposed to, in the same way that I don't want my local library to ban certain books or Google to delist websites that it decides are bad. Twitter is within its right to do whatever it wants, but I don't want it curating my feed anymore than I want my phone to decide who I can and ca…

I don't want Twitter to curate what ideas and speakers I'm exposed to, in the same way that I don't want my local library to ban certain books or Google to delist websites that it decides are bad Those analogies are flawed, so I'll just address the issue directly. I do want Twitter to curate things, by filtering out news from biased sources with questionable alliances and borderline journalistic practices. I want the…

>I think most really do want some level of curation. Do you want child porn on your feed? Endless ads for fake Viagra? Animal abuse?

>I cannot imagine a platform like Twitter being useful without some kind of curation. I realize that blocking the NYPost is an opinionated move in some ways.

Blocking NYPost is not curating the extreme content you state. Your argument is an attempt to imply that wanting the NYPost is akin to wanting the other.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by temp8964 »

olliej wrote: post #661
temp8964 wrote: post #582

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Yes. Section 230 doesn't require a platform to be neutral. But Twitter insists it's neutral, so it MUST be neutral.

No, it doesn’t. But the other problem is defining neutral - many people seem to have decided that removing objectively false information is somehow not neutral. Which it isn’t.

"No, it doesn’t."?

What?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by secondcoming »

secondcoming wrote: post #533
ZeteticElench wrote: post #385

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John Paul "Mac" Isaac is not even remotely trustworthy and nothing about the story is plausible. According to a Daily Beast interview, Isaac “switched back and forth” between saying that he contacted the FBI and saying the FBI contacted him. He also claimed that the FBI asked him for help in accessing the drive, though he didn’t indicate that the drive was encrypted or protected in any way. There’s are several huge m…

He got to keep the laptop when Biden never returned to collect it (didn't pay for the work done). He found fishy stuff on it and turned it over to the FBI not after making copies of the hard drives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzCwiURwwQ

Inconvenient facts, being discussed by lawyers, get downvoted. Nice.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by nickysielicki »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #711
nickysielicki wrote: post #192

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Not-so-fun fact: according to the mods on /r/conservative, submissions from zerohedge are currently banned site-wide. https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/jhksrq/do_not... It seems to check out: https://old.reddit.com/domain/zerohedge.com/new/

That post is referring to a Hunter Biden revenge porn sex tape. Are other non-anonymous performer) revenge porn sex tapes posted on reddit?

That post is referring to the Hunter Biden situation, but the comment I linked to talks about total bans on certain domains which posted about Hunter Biden, including articles which have nothing to do with Hunter Biden. The sites are banned outright from reddit at the moment.

Check the second link -- there hasn't been a submission from zerohedge on any subreddit in over 48 hours.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by kyuudou »

madmulita wrote: post #689
RoyTyrell wrote: post #683

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> It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I agree with that. > A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter. Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on, it's not a news aggregation site and certainly isn't even a news generating company. Every news organization in the world could delete their Twitter account, and every…

> Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on... Anyone agreeing with Twitter's agenda, it appears.

Why is this being downvoted? Because of someone else's tip, I tried tweeting these 7 characters: gtv.org and had my account locked within 3 seconds.

What kind of orwellian shit is that?!? The twitter account itself was used very sparingly to upload content from my PS4, not controversial in the least.

There is very clearly an agenda being applied here. Which is fine with me because this kind of repression is indication of desperation.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by 75dvtwin »

RoyTyrell wrote: post #683
reaperducer wrote: post #527

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Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

> It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I agree with that. > A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter. Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on, it's not a news aggregation site and certainly isn't even a news generating company. Every news organization in the world could delete their Twitter account, and every…

Twitter restrict free speech using their selective outrage. It is morally reprehensible, but allowed.

They are free to have their selective outrage, but they are a publisher, not a platform.

And therefore cannot claim protections under 47.230 This is like claiming tax exceptions of a non-profit charity, while being a for profit business

>" ... (c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material (1)Treatment of publisher or speaker No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

(2)Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of— (A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or (B)any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]

..."

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ZeteticElench »

secondcoming wrote: post #726
secondcoming wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He got to keep the laptop when Biden never returned to collect it (didn't pay for the work done). He found fishy stuff on it and turned it over to the FBI not after making copies of the hard drives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzCwiURwwQ

Inconvenient facts, being discussed by lawyers, get downvoted. Nice.

People are tired, oh so tired, of GOP bullshit.
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