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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by stjohnswarts »

reaperducer wrote: post #527
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

It does matter! Twitter and Facebook swore that they would limit this kind of garbage rumor mill information for the election. if NYP would have showed how they verified the information then twitter would have let them spread the info. Twitter is a private company and they are trying to be more responsible about slowing the spread of disinformation. This is a good thing and not a bad thing.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by temp8964 »

istjohn wrote: post #566
eloisius wrote: post #550

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>Twitter is a platform with a editorial slant Except that Twitter claims to be a neutral platform in order to benefit from Section 230. I agree with you that it's just another media outlet with a slant, but the government needs to start treating them like it. Edit: I'm not going to risk posting another comment in this thread because I'm getting negative votes. I keep seeing this more and more and I'm baffled. I haven…

Section 230 doesn't require a platform to be neutral. This is a common, but false, idea. Section 230 says: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service, a platform, shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” Verge has a good article that discusses this in more detail: https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/22/20700099/section-230-comm...

Yes. Section 230 doesn't require a platform to be neutral. But Twitter insists it's neutral, so it MUST be neutral.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by adventured »

rbanffy wrote: post #545
reaperducer wrote: post #527

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Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

> It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. Twitter is a private company. They constantly, if unevenly, exercise their right to ban hate speech and what causes it. > But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter. Twitter is not a news…

> Twitter is a private company. They constantly, if unevenly, exercise their right to ban hate speech and what causes it.

It's actually the uneven enforcement of their own terms of service that is primarily of issue and further whether their actions constitute an illegal campaign contribution to the Democrats by way of their intentionally tilted censorship.

If the DOJ were doing its job, they would be crushing Twitter right now with lawsuits over how Twitter selectively applies their terms of service to different groups when they feel like it. The Feds could make it extremely expensive to behave the way Twitter is. There are several other federal agencies that should be pursuing Twitter as well, that likely have legal ground to do so over these matters.

It's quite simple for Twitter: stop the intentionally selective application of your terms of service. Stop letting one side get away with constantly violating the terms of service with no consequences, while only aggressively punishing the political side you dislike.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by stjohnswarts »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #102
tomp wrote: post #64

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> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. Interesting... after reading this, I immediately thought: same as Zero Hedge (also often criticised). But then again, that shouldn't be a surprise - b…

ZH was talking about coronavirus way earlier than anyone else, which is bound to happen if you don’t validate as well—sometimes you do strike gold. A comment I saw once about them was “ZH has reported five of the last three catastrophes”.

It also serves to amplify a lot of fake stories without doing any research to confirm if there is any proof of said stories.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by hammock »

chrisstanchak wrote: post #577
rbanffy wrote: post #545

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> It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. Twitter is a private company. They constantly, if unevenly, exercise their right to ban hate speech and what causes it. > But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter. Twitter is not a news…

>Twitter is a private company. They constantly, if unevenly, exercise their right to ban hate speech and what causes it. So is Verizon. Do you want to live in a world where your phone gets turned off if they don't like the conversation?

See also: net neutrality

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Post by rightbyte »

munk-a wrote: post #535
secondcoming wrote: post #526

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'hateful' is entirely relative. What's wrong with conspiracy theories? They're as harmless as The X Files.

I'm going to need some sources on conspiracy theories being harmless - Pizzagate[1] lead to someone firing off live rounds in a pizza parlor, QAnon is also tied to some kidnappings[2], anti-vaxers have led to somewhere in the range of 50-60k deaths[3] - anti-maskers... it's a bit too early to tell but some folks put the number around 130k[4]... Conspiracy theories aren't harmless. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piz…

[3] doesn't claim any numbers on how many surplus deaths 'anti-vaxers' are the cause of.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by taylorfinley »

whimsicalism wrote: post #442
hourislate wrote: post #403

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4Chan is light years ahead of ZH and the rest. There were posts that were so eerily accurate about the virus late Dec into the first couple of weeks of January it was freakish. People like to write off 4Chan for all the shit posting and racism, etc. But if you can ignore all that there are truly some amazing Gems to be found.

Source on the late December? Early January is irrelevant, but I would like to see the former if that is a true claim.

There is also this October 2019 thread [0] which mentions a coronavirus-like bioweapon, which, like the "High Incident Project" thread [1] (covered by snopes here [2]) is often pointed to by conspiracy theorists as examples of insiders leaking information on 4chan before events of global significance.

In my analysis I find these are examples of fitting events to predictions after the fact; the huge number of 'larp' threads on conspiracy forums allows for cherry-picking examples where some content later rhymed with reality.

[0] https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/230585890/#q230593401

[1] https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141096258/#141102703

[2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/4chan-user-prediction-las-...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by kelnos »

chmod775 wrote: post #386
cjjuice wrote: post #101

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It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

> Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. Most platforms, Twitter included, just wanted to be dumb service providers. They don't want to spend money and carry responsibility moderating content. It was large media outlets and the public outrage they produced over "fake news" and "the far right" that pressured them int…

> Most platforms, Twitter included, just wanted to be dumb service providers. They don't want to spend money and carry responsibility moderating content.

Not really. They already spend time and money figuring out what content to promote and demote in order to increase engagement and maximize their ad revenue. They're just finding that the some of the kinds of things that tend to surface because of that are the kinds of things that they need to moderate, otherwise people (both users and advertisers) will get fed up with the platform and leave.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by olivermarks »

xadhominemx wrote: post #309
olivermarks wrote: post #87

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Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

What is one example of ZH’s accuracy?

follow this story posted on ZH today over the next few days

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/youll-bury-everyone-invo...

It may be incorrect &/or partisan but you are likely to read these sort of revelations on ZH first for better or worse.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by nickthemagicman »

war1025 wrote: post #371
nickthemagicman wrote: post #22

Twitters censorship just serves to further polarize and divide people. As the right bails on twitter and goes to pure conservative echo chambers and the left stays in their leftist echo chambers... any shared interactions are lost. Even though it's their right as a private company...its truly a shame that Twitter is acting like this.

> As the right bails on twitter For what it's worth, I've stopped commenting on HackerNews because any even moderately pro-Trump opinion is met by the downvote brigade. In my opinion, interacting with strangers online is just a recipe for a bad time. I'd cease social media entirely, but I'm not allowed to be social out in the real world anymore, and work is too boring to stay focused for an entire work day.

I'm very centrist so I respect and support aspects of both sides. I don't think the extreme left realizes it but they're just as fanatical as the right.

I've had your same experiences on hacker news at times. It's a down vote brigade for anything counter to the progressive narrative whether it's Trump or Covid or Global Warming or other progressive ideas.

It's a great site though and I have had some great conversations and learned a lot as long as you steer clear of the progressive agenda.

Reddit is way worse. It makes hacker news look like The Wall Street Journal.

There's a theory called horseshoe theory that claims that the fanatical left and right have more in common with each other than they do centrists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

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