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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by thu2111 »

abhorrence wrote: post #211
olivermarks wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230 'Section 230 says that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230). In other words, online intermediaries that host or republish speech are protected against a range of laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for wh…

Section 230 also says: > No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of— (A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected With that it…

It seems "Otherwise objectionable" is doing a lot of work in that paragraph. The intent seems pretty clearly "censorship of stuff that violates 1990s era morality is OK". Extrapolating to that to arbitrary censorship of ordinary political views isn't what Congress meant with this clause, and presumably adjusting Section 230 to tighten or simply remove "otherwise objectionable" would mean they could no longer do moderation for political reasons without losing that protection.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by voldacar »

function_seven wrote: post #31
blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Twitter is not a utility. It is not common infrastructure. The Internet is, and I would not be okay with Internet access being terminated over political disagreements. But individual services? Sure, why not? For those who argue that Twitter is a de facto common platform, well these decisions are moving them away from that role. The more they exercise their own prerogatives in removing content, the more they're no lon…

Except platforms are the internet in any meaningful sense of the word. In the 80s people literally thought that when you and I wanted to exchange data over the net, I would connect to your computer or vice versa. Even setting aside centralization pressures resulting from economy of scale, NAT killed this by essentially making everyone's PC act as a client and never a server, at least without extra non-user friendly work

Projects like IPFS and urbit are trying to change this but the FAANG economy of scale combined with the sheer user friendliness of centralized platforms makes me very bearish

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by RoyTyrell »

reaperducer wrote: post #527
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

> It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it.

I agree with that.

> A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter.

Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on, it's not a news aggregation site and certainly isn't even a news generating company. Every news organization in the world could delete their Twitter account, and everyone could stop sharing links to news companies articles, and Twitter's purpose wouldn't change. Twitter doesn't hire journalists to research and write articles...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

rbanffy wrote: post #655
dionian wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they continue be exempt from lawsuits per section 230

Section 230 doesn't require neutrality.

Correct. It requires companies no not be treated as publishers.

However if the companies themselves behave as publishers, yet avoid that designation bybhiding behind a regulation intended to protect Non-Publishers...

Then clesrly they are going against the spirit of the law and the law should be updated so there are consequences, particularly if they enjoy network effect monopolies.

This is very simple to do. Any company using 230, that is publicly listed, has more than 1B in revenue or 100M of users should inmediately lose section 230 protection. Full stop.

Any infotech company of size becomes very attractive for political influence, and should be closely watched for potential violation of campaing finance laws among other things.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

olliej wrote: post #660
dionian wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? I don't want Twitter deciding what I can and can't read.

I just checked, and yes Twitter can, just like you can’t force any business you want to stock copies of the nypost. Also nypost.com is a thing. The reality is that plenty of sites use Twitter as an essentially free billboard ad. Then get upset when they’re told they can’t put whatever they want on a billboard on private property, especially one that they have no contract to use, nor pay rent for.

Ok. Except they happen to be the billboard of the world

Size matters. A highway billboard and a world billboard are not the same. Thats why we have antitrust laws. Microsoft doesnt get to do whatever it wants just because its a sovereign company. Twitter Goog Fb should not leverage protections originally intented for sites like HN

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

dionian wrote: post #627
Spooky23 wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Post was the newspaper with the good sports page and sport betting odds when I was growing up. The paper version pretty much is just that today. Online, it’s a different spin looking for a similar audience. Instead of cranky Jets fans, it’s targeting blue collar conservatives. The quality is much lower imo — they run native content that looks like Taboola.

So? I don't want Twitter deciding what I can and can't read.

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ykevinator »

reaperducer wrote: post #527
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

The post and fox news are absolutely light weight versions of the national enquirer. Regardless, Twitter can do what Twitter likes. You can start your own Twitter if you like. Twitters rights are as precious as fox news's.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by jamespo »

rayiner wrote: post #642
kelnos wrote: post #576

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Obviously all people have different kinds of policy opinions, and the "R" and "D" buckets are way too coarse to describe everyone. Someone who is gay can just as easily be a fiscal conservative (for example) as someone who is straight. But what I can't understand is how someone -- even if they agree with most of their chosen party's platform -- could vote for a party whose leadership largely wants to erase them. I ju…

I’m not gay, so I’ll offer an analogy. I’m a brown guy with a beard from a Muslim country and with a Muslim last name. I found my friends’ (sincere) concern about Trump’s campaign rhetoric to be odd, because I didn’t find it alarming myself. (Apparently 30% of Muslims polled did not.) I thought it was distasteful and counterproductive—pissing away a demographic George W. Bush won in 2000–but I felt all the rhetoric o…

This Andrew Sullivan? "In 2003, he wrote he was no longer able to support the American conservative movement, as he was disaffected with the Republican Party's continued rightward shift on social issues during the George W. Bush era"

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by madmulita »

RoyTyrell wrote: post #683
reaperducer wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven It doesn't matter. This strawman is presented every time this topic comes up. It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I've been reading the Post off and on for the last 40 years, and you are correct that it is a rag. But it is a newspaper. A newspaper with a better reputation for re…

> It's not about the quality of the Post's journalism. It's about whether Twitter should restrict it. I agree with that. > A newspaper with a better reputation for reporting the news than Twitter. Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on, it's not a news aggregation site and certainly isn't even a news generating company. Every news organization in the world could delete their Twitter account, and every…

> Twitter is a social media site that anyone can post on...

Anyone agreeing with Twitter's agenda, it appears.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ZeteticElench »

secondcoming wrote: post #532
ZeteticElench wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

Fake? Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? If it was fake why did ask for a laptop that wasn't theirs?

"Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? "

Proof?

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