Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by 0x445442 » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:36 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #91

What a hot mess. I am imagining those years of looking at terrible National Enquirer headlines at store checkouts. This kind of terrible reporting as always existed, but for some reason (luckily I guess) they never crossed over into national discourse the way that stories do online. I never begrudged the store for carrying them and selling them. If Wal-Mart suddenly felt the need to arbitrate on the accuracy of every…

The hot mess is the story in question has been verified by multiple sources and is credible. What this means is Twitter is obviously trying to sway the outcome of an election by making editorial decisions on which information it allows on it's, supposedly, neutral platform.

Because it's making editorial decisions of what news to allow on it's platform it should be treated as any other news organization and it should be open to liable law suits.

Congress needs to enforce 230 and make Twitter choose; either 8kun or NYT, pick one.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by secondcoming » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:38 PM UTC

ZeteticElench wrote: post #343

calvinmorrison wrote: post #210

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A few months ago there was non-stop coverage of the president purportedly saying very mean things about soldiers. This was from an anonymous source. Even Bolton who is no fan of the president said that it didn't happen. It got 24/7 playtime by the media. Now on the other day the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential can…

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

Fake? Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? If it was fake why did ask for a laptop that wasn't theirs?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by secondcoming » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:42 PM UTC

ZeteticElench wrote: post #385

briandear wrote: post #365

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Obviously fake? The Biden camp hasn’t disputed the authenticity of the materials. How is it “obviously” fake? Especially since most of the media refuses to investigate it — even if to establish that it isn’t fake? The media had no problem running with the very obviously fake Steele Dossier that claimed Trump got a golden shower on a hotel bed Obama once slept in. There was zero corroboration or legitimacy for that, b…

John Paul "Mac" Isaac is not even remotely trustworthy and nothing about the story is plausible. According to a Daily Beast interview, Isaac “switched back and forth” between saying that he contacted the FBI and saying the FBI contacted him. He also claimed that the FBI asked him for help in accessing the drive, though he didn’t indicate that the drive was encrypted or protected in any way. There’s are several huge m…

He got to keep the laptop when Biden never returned to collect it (didn't pay for the work done). He found fishy stuff on it and turned it over to the FBI not after making copies of the hard drives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzCwiURwwQ

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by lawnchair_larry » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:42 PM UTC

mantap wrote: post #327

tomcam wrote: post #169

Those of you who think locking the account was a good idea should remember you won’t always be in the majority.

Do you think that fake news websites (websites that intentionally post falsehoods to drive traffic) should be allowed to post on social media with impunity? How is that workable? Many people cannot distinguish fake news from legitimate sources of information. Increasing noise (disinformation) is just as damaging to free speech as decreasing the signal (censorship).

The NY Post didn’t do that, did they?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by munk-a » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:43 PM UTC

secondcoming wrote: post #526

munk-a wrote: post #170

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The "common person" is honestly pretty depressing. The common person primarily votes based solely on a historical allegiance to a political party (be it individually formed or inherited) with about 75% of America essentially being unmovable D or R safe votes. Censorship is a hard question and I think we do need to have better laws promoting free access to material (even "libelous" material) but this is also an area w…

'hateful' is entirely relative. What's wrong with conspiracy theories? They're as harmless as The X Files.

I'm going to need some sources on conspiracy theories being harmless - Pizzagate[1] lead to someone firing off live rounds in a pizza parlor, QAnon is also tied to some kidnappings[2], anti-vaxers have led to somewhere in the range of 50-60k deaths[3] - anti-maskers... it's a bit too early to tell but some folks put the number around 130k[4]...

Conspiracy theories aren't harmless.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

2. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/qanon-violen...

3. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/anti-vaxxer-views-blamed-as-me...

4. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/23/health/covid-deaths.html

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by sam_goody » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:43 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #170

cjjuice wrote: post #101

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It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

The "common person" is honestly pretty depressing. The common person primarily votes based solely on a historical allegiance to a political party (be it individually formed or inherited) with about 75% of America essentially being unmovable D or R safe votes. Censorship is a hard question and I think we do need to have better laws promoting free access to material (even "libelous" material) but this is also an area w…

RealClearPolitics makes a point of presenting articles on both sides of the spectrum and has grown tremendously.

I am cautiously optimistic that there are a lot, lot, lot of people (like myself) that are interested in trying to balance their views, and make a point of reading both sides - especially when a headline is sensational.

I don't think Google news is as balanced as RCP, but it sure beats just reading CNN or Fox!

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by hotpockets » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

Wasn't this all about the publishing of Hunter Biden's personal information? A violation of Twitter's privacy policy, that they have always enforced. And yes, they have enforced it against journalists posting newsworthy information deleterious to Trump.

"Twitter also said the Post article contained images that included personal and private information such as email addresses and phone numbers, which is against the social network's rules. "

Weird seeing disinfo get upvoted on Hacker News of all places.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by HelloMcFly » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:45 PM UTC

free_rms wrote: post #485

rhizome wrote: post #324

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> Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor Why can't "we don't want this trash on our site" be the reason? It's "funny" how those who want to propagate banned material always cast themselves as some repressed group subject to the tyranny of government power. It can still be posted on Gab or Parler, right?

Is it 'trash' to be upset that Hunter Biden made 600k/yr from a no-show job that looks super crooked? I understand that it's politically not helpful at this particular moment, and that the Trump kids are worse, but none of that makes it false, and it doesn't make me 'trash' for not liking it.

> Is it 'trash' to be upset that Hunter Biden made 600k/yr from a no-show job that looks super crooked?

No, because that's clearly verifiable facts summarized by an opinion. Now ask "Is it trash to acknowledge that Hunter Biden had his dad use his influence to replace a straight-laced Ukrainian prosecutor with a corrupt stooge so Hunter could enrich himself?"

That's trash. Or:

"Is it trash to point out how Soros-funded Democrats are involved in a global pedophilia conspiracy that American conservatives are secretly working to take down?"

That's also trash.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by TechBro8615 » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:46 PM UTC

xadhominemx wrote: post #309

olivermarks wrote: post #87

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Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

What is one example of ZH’s accuracy?

ZeroHedge was one of the first outlets to cover Coronavirus and raise the alarm about it.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by lawnchair_larry » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 10:47 PM UTC

hexane360 wrote: post #421

tomschlick wrote: post #355

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The Director of National Intelligence (director for all US Intel Agencies) has said it is not Russian disinformation. https://twitter.com/i/events/1318222118421590016

And has caught flak from the intelligence community for making that determination prematurely: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/10/intelligence-expe... He is also hamfistedly talking up Iranian election interference solely to downplay Russian election interference: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-security/u-s...

Flak from former intelligence community who have no involvement in the situation. According to the people who have the laptop, and the current intel heads, it is not a Russian op. It’s pretty obvious that the laptop is legit at this point. Not even Hunter or Joe deny it.