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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

The "common person" is honestly pretty depressing. The common person primarily votes based solely on a historical allegiance to a political party (be it individually formed or inherited) with about 75% of America essentially being unmovable D or R safe votes. Censorship is a hard question and I think we do need to have better laws promoting free access to material (even "libelous" material) but this is also an area w…

I've said it before and I'll say it again; it's the same justification that has been used to justify moves away from democracy. "Those poor dumb plebs, they just don't know any better, we, the elites, know whats best, so we should reduce the amount of democracy!" [1]

1. https://archive.org/details/TheCrisisOfDemocracy-TrilateralC...

You say "some moderation is required to prevent the apparent acceptance of some pretty hateful views along with conspiracy theories", but the entire point is that then you are giving over to some other person or entity the power and ability to decide what you get to read. I think this should be rejected as a slippery slope made of ky-jelly.

"Don't take security in the false refuge of consensus and the feeling that whatever you think you're bound to be okay because you're in the safely moral majority."

"It is not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear, and every time you silence somebody, you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself the right to hear something." - Christopher Hitchens [2]

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY

bonus (the whole speech is quotable): "Dr. Johnson was waited upon by various delegations of people, to congratulate him of the nobility of the quality; of the Commons; the Lords; and also by a delegation of respectable ladies of London, who tended on him in his Fleet Street lodgings and congratulated him: "Dr. Johnson," they said, "We are delighted to find that you have not included any indecent or obscene words in your dictionary." "Ladies," said Dr. Johnson, "I congratulate you on being able to look them up". Anyone who can understand that joke, and I'm pleased to see that 10% of you can, gets the point about censorship especially prior restraint as it's known in the United States where it's banned by the first amendment to the constitution. It may not be determined in advance what words are apt or inapt, no one has the knowledge that would be required to make that call and - more to the point - one has to suspect the motives of those who do so, in particular: the motives of those who are determined to be offended; of those who will go through a treasure house of English, like Dr. Johnson's first lexicon, in search of filthy words to satisfy themselves and some instinct about which I dare not speculate."

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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And vice versa, the side that has been Conservative continue to be on the wrong side of history over abs over again, yet never fail to say the other side is to blame. Gay rights Women rights Liberty Always one side saying let's wait a bit longer, let's listen to our lies for a bit longer.

You might want to look up which party was more supportive of the 19th amendment and check which party supported ending slavery. "On May 21, 1919, the amendment passed the House 304 to 89, with 42 votes more than was necessary. On June 4, 1919, it was brought before the Senate and, after Southern Democrats abandoned a filibuster, 36 Republican Senators were joined by 20 Democrats to pass the amendment with 56 yeas, 25…

I don't think they mentioned a party anywhere in the parent comment. They were simply talking about the conservative vs progressive side of a debate or policy change

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Fight Club , though, was just fancying up and decontextualizing the first sentence of Milton (EDIT: John Maynard, nor Milton) Keynes famous quote: "In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if, in tempestuous seasons, they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again." I would be very surprised if a financial news outlet choosing the Fight Clu…

Well, if we're going to play the X is really just modified Y game, we might as well go back to the original. One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. - Ecclesiastes, 300 B.C.E.

King James Version truly is the worst translation you can find of the bible.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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John Paul "Mac" Isaac is not even remotely trustworthy and nothing about the story is plausible. According to a Daily Beast interview, Isaac “switched back and forth” between saying that he contacted the FBI and saying the FBI contacted him. He also claimed that the FBI asked him for help in accessing the drive, though he didn’t indicate that the drive was encrypted or protected in any way. There’s are several huge m…

Ok, so the story about how they obtained the laptop is sketchy. Fine. What about the actual contents of the laptop? The emails, text messages, photos, and videos? Nobody from the Biden camp has come out and denied the authenticity of the emails or the text messages that have been published. Why not? In fact, you have one of Hunter Biden's former business associates who has come out and confirmed the authenticity of s…

"Ok, so the story about how they obtained the laptop is sketchy. "

It is well beyond "sketchy", it is about as plausible as Isaac having sex with every current and former Victoria's secret model.

"What about the actual contents of the laptop? The emails, text messages, photos, and videos?"

Have they been authenticated by a credible third party?

"Nobody from the Biden camp has come out and denied the authenticity of the emails or the text messages that have been published. Why not?"

When did you stop beating your wife?

"In fact, you have one of Hunter Biden's former business associates who has come out and confirmed the authenticity of some of the materials."

I honestly think I could sell you the Golden Gate bridge.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Twitter shouldn't decide for me what I may or may not read.

Twitter has a 1st Amendment right to decide what you may or may not read on Twitter .

exactly, a tweet is a platform specific mode of communication that shouldn't be covered by one's 1st amendment rights. You have the right to say what you want, Twitter has a right to not let you on Twitter.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Outside of Trump... i'm not aware of any large scale deception or ... just plain ignorance when it comes to trump.

Britain said that they could go for a "herd immunity strategy", several European governments said that masks were not useful for ordinary people, claims that the virus was under control, even people saying "don't stop going to bars", entire governments deciding to stop releasing information about cases, etc., etc. There was a whole lot that people didn't know, especially early. There were quite a few failures of comm…

They were wrong, potentially and have adjusted their stance since.

They’re still poorly managing it because they lack decent information. I’d argue it’s the fault of the civil service that they’ve been crippling and obvious cronyism (e.g. Dido Harding) not equipped to provide decent information that they need for decision making.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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post #424

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> As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. No question ZeroHedge is excessively pessimistic, but that saying is silly. The US has been having recessions almost like clockwork once every 10 years since 1950 [0]. Saying "a recession is incoming!" is pretty much trivially true. It is always very likely there will be a recession in the next 10 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_…

> The US has been having recessions almost like clockwork once every 10 years since 1950 Your standards for "clockwork" regularity seem to be quite low. Your own source offered to support that claim shows almost double that frequency from 1950-1990, and a maximum interval of 10 years, 8 months over the whole period. So it is neither "like clockwork" over that period (the frequency has on average dropped over the peri…

Gee, well that leaves me debunked. I guess recessions are quite common and ZeroHedge is ... much more reliable than I thought? A scary discovery.

If you are planning your investments around not having a recession about once a decade, I'm unconvinced it will end well for you.

Anyway, the point stands - regularly predicting recessions is a sensible approach, and saying ZeroHedge overpredicts is wrong. The normal financial press are reckless in assuming that recessions are not imminent. Looking 5+ years into the future to assess the present state is prudent.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Who deleted your response to ZeteticElench? You, or the mods? Usually when they delete something, they include a comment that says "this comment was deleted because it violates our community standards" or whatever.

I don't think it's possible to delete your own comment on HN. It's possible for the mods to "shadow delete" your comments: it still appears to you when you're logged in, but no-one else can see it. (To see if any your comments have been shadow-deleted, check out the difference between news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yourusername when you're logged in and logged out.)

I think you can delete a comment shortly after it was made and if there's no answers to it yet.

Edit: for example, right now I have a delete button for this message

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Journalistic integrity means vetting sources of “news”, especially in this day in age when so many videos are just clips out of context. I completely agree with Twitter keeping NY Post account disabled. Until they can prove to be a real news source, they are tabloid fake news. The fact they they will publish articles other news sites won’t means not that they are “The Rogue News Organization in a sea of Liberal Media…

down-vote all you want but I take the same stance with liberal "news" as I do with conservative "news". News shouldn't be political. News should be factual. Observe and report, never interfere. I take the same stance with journalists reporting on BLM protests when they stand on the side of the protesters. You're going to get arrested with them, credentials or not. Journalism has now become a "Social Justice" platform and not reporting of fact. https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2011/04/20/the-fall-and-r...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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There seems to be a pervasive fear of covering topics that would influence the election which is rooted in the 2016 WikiLeaks releases.

Obviously in this instance, there are political components in the reporting, but there are also undeniably components of truth as well.

A healthy journalistic environment would dissect the facts from many angles and leave readers more informed. However, this recent trend of topic censoring adds confusion to the discussion while at the same time sowing distrust of media institutions. That is to say: it creates the precise environment in which an alternative reality can thrive.

My biggest concern is that it will culminate in the president claiming victory next week, and the discussion of it in the media will be inherently incomplete and untrustworthy. That would be a real pickle for our country moving forward together.

Edit: the irony of downvoting this take to 0 without responding is hilarious.

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