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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by teachrdan »

bigbubba wrote: post #88
dimgl wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven Implying that every other major MSM organization doesn't do the same exact garbage and aren't deserving of the same treatment. Edit: the point is that rules should not favor one MSM corporation over the other. It should be neutral.

The New York Times once allowed itself to be used as a mouthpiece for Stalin, publishing Walter Duranty's denials of famine in Ukraine. They didn't come clean on this until 1990: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/24/opinion/the-editorial-not... More recently, they allowed themselves to be used as the uncritical mouthpiece of the American federal government when they were starting an illegal war predicated on lies: http…

This seems to be a straw man argument. No in this thread is arguing that only "pure" outlets should be respected. The question is whether it was correct to lock the account of a media outlet that seems to be deliberately publishing news they know to be likely untruthful in an effort to sway the upcoming US presidential election.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by quacked »

edmundsauto wrote: post #39
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Is the "time to publication" a useful metric, when the cost is accuracy? Once something incorrect is published, it has a lot more weight than a retraction/correction.

It's not- I should have clarified in my comment. I was just showing an example timeline. The child commenter with the bit about the narrative and primary source removal is correct.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

cortesoft wrote: post #40
blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Power companies are regulated monopolies. There are no competitors. Twitter is in no way even close to the only way to publish something. It is no where near as difficult to publish on a different platform than it is to generate your own power. If an ISP was cutting off the NyPost, I would have issues with that. If they had their domain name seized, I would have an issue with that. If other ISPs blocked network route…

>Power companies are regulated monopolies. There are no competitors.

The funny (sad) thing is that these utilities are almost easier to work around Twitter in this case.

Power company cuts you off? Buy a generator, no big deal.

Town turns off your water. IBC totes are cheap.

Comcast terminates your account? Verizon is happy to pay you money and if they aren't where you are then you can suck it up and by satellite.

If your a media business and Twitter/Facebook won't let you advertise and breaks links to your content you're basically screwed. There are no real alternatives because that's wher your users are.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by bigbubba »

droffel wrote: post #107
olivermarks wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

> scarily accurate As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. They have a consistently bearish bias (which rarely seems to play out), and ties to the Russian state, which brings into question the motivations behind their criticisms of the US (not that I'm the biggest fan myself). All of that said, ZH introduced me to a lot of economic literature and concepts I likely wouldn't have been e…

ZH proudly flaunts their bearish bias. The name Zero Hedge really says it all. Their motto, 'On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everybody drops to zero', makes this explicit.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by cycrutchfield »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

If social media companies don't want to be used as transmission vectors of obvious foreign political influence, then they don't have to be. Just like if they don't want to be used as transmission vectors of pornography or any other type of content, then they don't have to be. In both cases it requires setting some sort of content standard and making decisions about whether the content meets that standard.

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

gabereiser wrote: post #61
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Journalistic integrity means vetting sources of “news”, especially in this day in age when so many videos are just clips out of context. I completely agree with Twitter keeping NY Post account disabled. Until they can prove to be a real news source, they are tabloid fake news. The fact they they will publish articles other news sites won’t means not that they are “The Rogue News Organization in a sea of Liberal Media…

Twitter shouldn't decide for me what I may or may not read.

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Post by EEMac »

orf wrote: post #82
blhack wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. But that actually doesn't even damage the argument: would it be okay if Google decided that they didn't like NyPost's politics, so they disabled the functionality of all of their ne…

> Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. It's all of these, except private. It's a privately run notification/messaging/authentication/identity/verification service. Just one that is widely used. That doesn't make it "pu…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruneyard_Shopping_Center_v._R...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by La1n »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

>That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person.

But fake news has been spreading a lot, while maybe not in your circles it does still happen. And retraction or an apology article will not be spread as widely due to the fact that a lot of fake news is specifically inflammatory to be spread quickly and widely.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by LegitShady »

scotty79 wrote: post #41
thebeefytaco wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the laptop became property of the repair shop, how would that be illicitly obtained?

I don't think that owning the hardware means you own or can publish personal data contained on the hardware.

If you abandon something you have no expectation of privacy. It's why both the FBI and private investigators can go through your garbage.
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