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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by chrismorgan »

jojo14 wrote: post #177
chrismorgan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no need to create that pr-8142 branch, which will otherwise hang around indefinitely which is most commonly not what you want: git fetch upstream pull/8142/head git checkout FETCH_HEAD

Isn't it more like the following?: git clone https://github.com/github/dmca.git git fetch origin pull/8142/head git checkout FETCH_HEAD

I was just modifying the parent comment, which assumes an existing repository.

Since we’re fiddling with things in this way, if you were just trying to get a copy of the contents, this’ll do that about most efficiently:

  git init
  git fetch --depth=1 https://github.com/github/dmca pull/8142/head
  git checkout FETCH_HEAD
(I don’t think you can git-clone an arbitrary ref, only a branch.)

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by judge2020 »

fabianhjr wrote: post #90
Bjartr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but as far as I recall, a site receiving a DMCA notice must immediately remove the stated content. The person who put the content up may then file a counter-notice, which, if uncontested may then be followed by reinstating the content. If contested, the process moves into the courtroom.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

Regardless, not honoring a DMCA would mean GitHub is asserting that they think it's false and would need to defend their decision if RIAA were to sue them; it doesn't make sense to verify every single DMCA claim and increase liability by not honoring some.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by exabrial »

What bothers me about DMCA the most is the lack of due process. In the US, one would think more than any place else you have the right to a lengthy trial before have a right stripped away.

Both political parties in the USA regularly chip away at our rights in the ever on going battle to capture more votes from extreme positions or 'bring the usa in line with international (read european) standards', in this case WIPO.

How this Christmas gift was ever given to the RIAA is mind blowing.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by usr1106 »

toyg wrote: post #167
RealStickman_ wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is finding a good alternative and getting everybody to move there.

“Everybody” is surely not a massive amount of people for youtube-dl. I mean, it’s hardly the Linux kernel... let’s remember that this is just about developers, distribution is a separate (arguably easier to solve) problem.

And even the Linux kernel does not use a centralized 3rd party service. They use only email.

Of course the server hosting LKML or in the end Linus' mailbox are single points of failures.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by pabs3 »

terminalcommand wrote: post #100
saagarjha wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking down GitHub would instantly make millions of developers at thousands of companies unable to do their work.

Interestingly, my country (Turkey) did ban github (along with google drive, microsoft onedrive etc.) back in 2016. However they reopened it within hours (18 hours to be exact), because systems all over the country were failing. One of the driving reasons was that ATMs stopped working. Appearently they were downloading some updates from github to function. Stupidity has no limits. For more info: https://en.m.wikipedia…

And GitLab has now banned Iranians:

https://ahmadhaghighi.com/blog/2020/gitlab/

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by joshmanders »

noxer wrote: post #196
bitwize wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just proves that Youtube-dl is intended to circumvent copyright protection measures. Those obfuscation measures count as "effective" for the purposes of the DMCA. Trafficking in software to circumvent them is a felony. GitHub and Microsoft could find themselves criminally liable if they do not take it down.

Take down chrome then its "intended to circumvent copyright protection measures" as you can clearly watch these youtube videos with chrome.

That's what confuses me. Isn't there a gray area here where it's not illegal to download copyrighted material, but illegal to reshare it, aka upload it.

So if that is true, then youtube-dl is not illegal and this DMCA is easily reverted.

RIAA is just trying to use their deep pockets against a nobody and Microsoft is basically saying "We side with you" knowing damn well their lawyers know this code is not illegal.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #194
schwartzworld wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub is not a safe place to develop software that has an association with piracy, nor would any centralized service.

Yeah, there's a difference between Microsoft saying "We love open source now" and Microsoft saying "fuck the police, IP law needs to be rebuilt from the ground up anyway". The idea that Microsoft should lose some of the goodwill it got doing the first for not doing the second is really naive.

No the line appears to be: "we love opensource, unless it messes with some BigCorps businessmodel, in which case a letter of nebulous legal fudge is enough to delete your repo without due process"

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by saddlerustle »

nix23 wrote: post #211
saddlerustle wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The distribution of youtube-dl itself is what's at issue, not the use of youtube-dl or the distribution of files downloaded with youtube-dl.

And why is that not a issue anymore? (hint it was): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

The RIAA is specifically making the allegation that "the source code was designed and is marketed for the purpose of circumventing YouTube’s technological measures to enable unauthorized access to our member’s copyrighted works" [1], justified by the references to copyrighted works in the youtube-dl readme and source code. If it wasn't for that, it'd be much easier to argue that it's designed for non-infringing purposes only (or one of the other exceptions to the DMCA's TPM clauses), like you could plausibly argue for libdvdcss.

[1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-2...

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by kortex »

thristian wrote: post #141
sssarel wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do actually mention 3 specific copyrighted songs used as examples in the tests. Seems to me that was on oversight, and they should have only used open videos as tests in the repo. Similar to how Kodi can't use copyrighted material in app store screenshots or videos.

The tests are testing that youtube-dl can successfully see through three specific varieties of obfuscation as used by those videos. Testing open videos would not work, since Google doesn't obfuscate those in the same way. Uploading special videos with the right configuration wouldn't work, those particular obfuscation methods are only available to specific YouTube partners, not to the youtube-dl authors.

So why can't we crowdsource some Youtube partners that are willing to allow their copyright to be used, while still utilizing the obfuscation?

Or are we talking a sweetheart deal only available to specific parnters ?coughvevocough

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #183
nix23 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Exclusively Not the tool is meant here but the User, and you know it. It's legal to record radio, and record/download Youtube videos, if you don't redistribute it (outside Family and Friends

The distribution of youtube-dl itself is what's at issue, not the use of youtube-dl or the distribution of files downloaded with youtube-dl.

Just read that article:

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e...

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