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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #159
nix23 wrote: post #153

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>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...

Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by toyg »

gamblor956 wrote: post #35
userbinator wrote: post #18

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Congratulations on making life difficult for other people. Tell that to the RIAA... It's funny to see the Streisand Effect happen with this one.

US copyright law has teeth for stuff like this. If the RIAA goes after the OP for statutory damages, he's basically fucked for life. And they love to make examples of people. Did everybody forget Kazaa and Limewire?

Not remotely on the same level.

Kazaa and Limewire were moneymaking companies with fairly undefensible behavior from a legal perspective. This is an individual using a website the way it’s supposed to be used, for documentation purposes. A judge would “expeditiously” send the RIAA packing with a large bill for defendant’s legal fees.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by bitwize »

gamblor956 wrote: post #35
userbinator wrote: post #18

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Congratulations on making life difficult for other people. Tell that to the RIAA... It's funny to see the Streisand Effect happen with this one.

US copyright law has teeth for stuff like this. If the RIAA goes after the OP for statutory damages, he's basically fucked for life. And they love to make examples of people. Did everybody forget Kazaa and Limewire?

They could call the U.S. attorney and go after the OP with federal felony charges.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by schwartzworld »

echelon wrote: post #63
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #25

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This is hilarious, well done. I realized something while :+1:-ing your PR: I was thinking about how digg deleted my account over posting the AACS key, I really couldn't care less if Microsoft deleted my account over it. Very interesting considering that even just 2 years ago I never would have done this for fear of my account being deleted. All of my work and personal projects are moved to gitlab (the CI/Kubernetes/e…

Microsoft is losing the good will they've worked so hard to rebuild. Microsoft employees, managers, Satya: do you see what you're doing? I love the direction you've taken over the past five years, but bowing to the RIAA and attempting to disrupt an innocuous tool are horrible decisions. It's a chilling note, and everyone involved in tech can hear it. Are you telling us Github is not a safe place to develop software a…

GitHub is not a safe place to develop software that has an association with piracy, nor would any centralized service.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by djeiasbsbo »

fabianhjr wrote: post #107
djeiasbsbo wrote: post #89

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What we really need is a decentralised git forge using something like ActivityPub. We cannot keep relying on companies to host open content for us.

ActivityPub is federated like git is distributed. You can add several remotes from different servers (or peers in case of single user instances hosted at home) Even though other sites like GitLab exist that GitHub remains a near-monopoly default doesn't bode well for attempting to migrate to a completely decentralized system as default. There are decentralized extensions of git (like git-ssb). Addenda: Git is also no…

I understand that but there is a difference between just git and the forge, which is GitHub in this case. If I fork a project on GitHub it has a fork relationship on the platform itself. This makes it very easy to interact with the original project. However, without an actual GitHub account I can't contribute back to the project at all.

If I have for example my own Gitlab server I have the ability to clone a project from GitHub and maintain my fork on my server. However, to contribute back, I will still need to bring my changes back to GitHub first.

What a federated implementation of such a "git hosting/collaboration platform" would allow me to do would be to fork a project from another instance to my self-hosted instance. It would benefit every open-source project that would be willing to host their own instance. I could then easily contribute back into the main project without needing an account on their instance.

It would also make it much harder to take down a project with a DMCA like this because forks of it would exist across instances, meaning claims would have to be sent to each maintainer of these instances. In this case, they were simply able to list all of the forks on GitHub and because GitHub is one website, all of them were taken down, seemingly without any further inspection wether the claim covers these forks as well.

I realise that this is difficult to implement but I think mastodon is a great example of how such federation can work in practice.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by saddlerustle »

nix23 wrote: post #161
saddlerustle wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...

Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.

If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by toyg »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #154
DavideNL wrote: post #145

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Would it not be possible to move to some decentralized Github alternative?

The problem is finding a good alternative and getting everybody to move there.

“Everybody” is surely not a massive amount of people for youtube-dl. I mean, it’s hardly the Linux kernel... let’s remember that this is just about developers, distribution is a separate (arguably easier to solve) problem.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

scrollaway wrote: post #160
nix23 wrote: post #157

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>german court says will absolutely influence what a US court Not will but can. That's a difference...and i dont watch a 1h20min YT video about Copyright...when decrypting has nothing todo with copyright.

It's a video about the exact case in question, talks extensively about the decryption aspect and in general the circumvention of technological protection measures. Watch it, don't watch it, it doesn't matter to anyone here, but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high.

>but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high

As if your talking about yourself, maybe your a bit young but we had the exact same problem in the past (decrypting DVD's) those are Disc who stored Movies on it. And a Swiss Court decided that it's legal to use dvcss (not sure about the name).

And you tell me to watch a YT from a US Lawyer.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by seg_lol »

Meph504 wrote: post #111
yoz-y wrote: post #98

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For one I’d like there to be some punishment for repeated abuse of DMCA. GitHub policies state that repeat offenders can get their accounts suspended/deleted. Why can’t repeat offenders (RIAA) get banned from the system at least? Some increasing back off after a rejected claim was posted? Anything that would make it un-economical to just spam the system with notices wherever you like it because there is no downside t…

I wonder if anyone has written something to find and independently assess the validity of these bulk false DMCA take downs. Honestly, I'm guessing a ambitious law firm could actually make a good class action suit against these offenders. Seems like broad, real damages could be justifiably demonstrated.

If only we could retool SCO for a force-for-good?

Weren't there environmental laws that a private party could sue an offender over and would get a portion of the federal fines?

Seems like a free-market solution that the right would get behind. :)

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by cedilla »

miguelmota wrote: post #147
rapnie wrote: post #132

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Yes, like https://forgefed.peers.community/ which is exactly that.

Probably a dumb question, but don't federated services eventually lead to centralization? for example SMTP is federated but most users are on gmail, IRC is decentralized but most users are on freenode server, etc. users tend to choose the services/instances with the most users, which is what makes github currently very valuable.

IRC isn't federated in that sense, users on EFnet can't interact with users on freenode, so the network effect works in that case.

Gmail has an enormous market share (about 40%) but I don't think that's related to the nature of SMTP, more about their incredibly competitive free tier and the decidedly not federated groupware for their business offering.

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