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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Tiktaalik »

missedthecue wrote: post #372
runarberg wrote: post #183

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The international community could do a lot more to stop this horror. International leaders could condemn this for a start. They could put sanctions on the chinese ruling class, or Chinese businesses, as well as exclude Chinese participation in international events (such as the Olympics). Your local representative could raise awareness to such measures to the ruling class in your country, and vote in favor for them in…

Have sanctions ever worked? They haven't worked on Cuba. They haven't worked on Venezuela. They haven't worked on Russia. They haven't worked on North Korea. They haven't worked anywhere I can think of.

South Africa.

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Post by seppin »

nendroid wrote: post #350
seppin wrote: post #337

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Nobody is advocating genocide here. This is completely obvious, it is not his intention... you are exaggerating the situation. Who in their right mind would do this? And if you read his post it's obvious he is not doing this. The chinese actions are atrocious but an accusation of saying that holocaust level genocide is getting advocated here is a huge difference. You can tell him he's wrong because you believe that t…

> you are exaggerating the situation

I am going off first hand accounts and confirmed facts. What are you doing?

>The chinese actions are atrocious but

"concentration camps are bad but.." No but. There's no but there.

> holocaust level genocide

No one said that. This is the logical fallacy you are committing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

> you believe that the chinese are conducting genocide.

Reducing this to a "two sides" issue is shameless deflection. What part of the dozens of reporting done on Xinjiang do you think is false, and what facts are you basing that on?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/china-has-buil...

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Post by throw_m239339 »

bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

> CCP must not go unpunished.

The CCP already went unpunished with the Tibetans. Very few people in the west cared and it was before China became member of the WTO. The current administration tried to impose tariffs on China which were deemed illegal by the WTO. Maybe the west should have cared BEFORE welcoming China in the WTO.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

nickff wrote: post #397
tim333 wrote: post #329

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A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

Your comment made me think of the anti-apartheid boycotts against South Africa; I am not sure exactly how those worked, but it would seem that we should at least consider how that worked.

"I ain't gonna play Sun City…"

Interesting, although it's not clear that they worked because of or alongside efforts. China is not a small country that can be economically isolated.

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Post by seppin »

stale2002 wrote: post #394
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #373

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Inventing your own question and then answering that was an interesting thing to do.

The point bring that your original comparison is a bad analogy. It should be obvious to you that something that effects millions of people is much worse than the CIA thing that only effected a couple hundred.

It should be obvious, but here we are.

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Post by frequentnapper »

One thing we could do against this is to lobby our govts to crack down on mainland chinese spies and ccp supporters in our areas. In Vancouver, there were counter-protestor chinese who were recording and taking photos of hong kong protestors. Our govt needs to be very careful of who they let in from the mainland china.

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Post by [deleted] »

tracer4201 wrote: post #389
abc-xyz wrote: post #377

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Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merel…

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Post by question000 »

hcurtiss wrote: post #368
onei wrote: post #359

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The account apparently had some millions deposited into in and then withdrawn quickly after. It's not entirely clear who or where that money came from in the first place.

He indicated in the debate that was all before his candidacy. Is there reason to believe that’s not true?

Because Trump lied about nearly everything related to his finances for decades and has openly admitted that his followers are just gullible and will forgive him for it, so he doesn't care.

A cursory google search reveals this to be true and to his credit Trump is very open about his lying. "My net worth is just a function of how I feel at the time" and "I could shoot someone on fifth avenue and people would still support me." Are statements he's stood by and never apologized for in anyway.

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Post by stale2002 »

wonnage wrote: post #256
Veen wrote: post #192

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Perhaps you should think about why, when faced with evidence of an atrocity, your reaction is not "this is horrible and should be stopped" but "look at all these hypocrites denouncing the horrible thing". It seems to me a serious moral miscalibration.

Your reaction is "this is horrible and should be stopped" and that's what makes you susceptible to anti-China hysteria. This is just "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in another context. Apparently anyone uncooperative with American business interests in the Middle East turned out to be a terrorist who needs to be bombed/assassinated/coup-ed. America has sanctioned North Korea for going on 50 years now, has that p…

So... Then you do not believe that things that China is doing are bad, such as forced sterilization?

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Post by simonsarris »

nickff wrote: post #397
tim333 wrote: post #329

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A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

Your comment made me think of the anti-apartheid boycotts against South Africa; I am not sure exactly how those worked, but it would seem that we should at least consider how that worked.

South Africa probably produced commodities, like natural resources and agriculture, and not things like iPhones, drones, etc.

Any pressure would need to come from governments forcing the hand of larger businesses to slowly move complex manufacturing elsewhere.

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