I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps • Hacker News Board

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by godelski » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:05 PM UTC

skinkestek wrote: post #198

crocal wrote: post #189

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Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Have my upvote, but honestly don't expect too much from UN. They are the ones who turned a blind eye to Rwanda and gave the guy who sold the guns a top job, aren't they?

Btw, things still aren't all clear in Rwanda and from what I hear things are starting to go south again, including Paul Rusesabagina (the main character from the movie) accusing the Rwandan government of kidnapping him and forcing him into a rigged trial[0]. Speaking to a Rwandan friend all he could say is that things were certainty shady and things aren't going well in the country right now. Remembering one of the most powerful lines of the movie

> You're black. You're not even a nier. You're an African.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN26Q268

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by abc-xyz » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:07 PM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #376

yadco wrote: post #341

If this is true, why aren't we boycotting China?

It's almost impossible. Even iPhones are made in China.

Not sure why you say “even iPhones” as this kind of high-end tech is likely among the most difficult to manufacture outside of China. But even iPhones are starting to get manufactured in India, and you also have other smartphones being manufactured in Vietnam (I believe this include the new Pixel).

Trump’s China tariffs have already forced many companies to move to Vietnam/India/Mexico/etc. The few remaining are likely hoping Biden will win since he said he would end Trump’s China tariffs.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by golem14 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:07 PM UTC

gremlinsinc wrote: post #282

neycoda wrote: post #201

China has built almost 400 new camps since 2017, while new testimonies have emerged alleging slave labour, forced sterilisations and organ harvesting taking place inside the camps too.

This is def. bad, though I feel somewhat hypocritical, since we're doing forced sterilizations here too... definitely it needs to stop in China AND the USA. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower...

I have read this too, but no further elaboration in the press, and I wonder why. Was it just hyperbole, or is the story being actively suppressed?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by throw_m239339 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:07 PM UTC

birdyrooster wrote: post #118

They creating their own Al Qaeda, come back in ten years and check how they are cooking.

> They creating their own Al Qaeda, come back in ten years and check how they are cooking.

People often repeat that idiocy, not understanding that the Chinese government is willing to put in prison every single Muslim in China if they started doing terrorist attacks on Chinese soil. The CCP doesn't have to care about the rule of law or human rights in their fights against "separatism" or "terrorism".

This is how the CCP crushed the Tibetan rebellion, a people already long forgotten by westerners who now act offended about the treatment of Uighur, like the republic of China was never a bloody dictatorship to begin with.

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Post by stale2002 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:17 PM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #97

shripadk wrote: post #85

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> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is once again find our principles Yes we can. Boycott CCP controlled businesses, their manufactured goods and services. Ensure strict sanctions are levied on CCP members. Ban travel of CCP members to and from countries that respect the rule of Law. But nope. We w…

An embargo is a national, legally mandated boycott that carries penalties up to and including prison time. If your personal boycotts help make you feel better about the ongoing genocide, that's great! I, for one, would prefer a solution that works.

The US already has tariffs on china, and we can legally increase them.

Tariffs can cause a lot of damage.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by wonnage » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

lisnake wrote: post #264

wonnage wrote: post #231

Not the first and won't be the last time this has happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Not sure what you are implying. Are you saying that we cannot believe this man's testimony?

I believe Uighurs have been rounded up and forced to watch indoctrination videos, in a gross violation of their human rights. Forced sterilization seems plausible too given the history of the one child policy.

I don't believe this stuff about torture cages. The Chinese government is trying to subdue the Uighurs by torturing them for 20 days and then... just letting them go?

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Post by timmytokyo » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

hcurtiss wrote: post #344

tim333 wrote: post #329

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A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

There’s a lot to not like about Trump, but he’s literally the only one in 50 years who’s been willing to play for keeps on Chinese tariffs. And he’s been raked over the coals for it.

>President Donald Trump says he did not sanction Chinese officials further over the detention of Muslims in Xinjiang as he was in the "middle of a trade deal".

>Mr Trump told the Axios news site that achieving a "great" deal meant he could not impose "additional sanctions".

>The issue arose after allegations in a book by ex-Trump aide John Bolton.

>Mr Bolton had alleged that at a summit last year Mr Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Trump denies the allegation.

>Axios says that when Mr Trump was asked why he had held off imposing further sanctions on Communist Party officials over the issue of the camps, he said: "Well, we were in the middle of a major trade deal.

>"And when you're in the middle of a negotiation and then all of a sudden you start throwing additional sanctions on - we've done a lot. I put tariffs on China, which are far worse than any sanction you can think of." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833

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Post by abc-xyz » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

tracer4201 wrote: post #389

abc-xyz wrote: post #377

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Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

Serious question - which of these advance American national interests or prevent human rights abuses? The first item in your list is President Trump calling the virus the Chinese virus. Aside from maybe bringing his supporters as a rallying cry, what does that actually achieve? It feels more like hollow political rhetoric and not something that delivers any kind of results. What do the arms sales achieve? Is it merel…

Calling it the China/Chinese Virus helps continuously remind the world that China are 100% responsible for the pandemic. The only reason I’m voting for Trump is due to him being able/willing to stand up to China. It would be great if more politicians realized that China is an issue that will win/lose votes so I didn’t have to vote against the majority of my beliefs.

As for arming Taiwan (I assume Hong Kong was a typo), well, it’s one of the best ways to help their country defend themselves from a Chinese invasion.

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Post by juiyout » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #273

crispyporkbites wrote: post #250

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Any Amazon engineers want to comment on why a country of origin flag is not on every product? Has this been discussed internally at Amazon?

That would cost Amazon money. Besides, the rules around country of origin are complicated, and some countries have product description law about this. And what's to stop Amazon sellers sticking fake country of origin on, as they can already do for CE marking? Or the reverse: Amazon stick a China flag on iPhones. Apple are going to get extremely upset about this and sue/offer money to change that to a US flag. The htt…

Amazon could do A-B tests on this. This might just earn them more money instead.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by frequentnapper » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:22 PM UTC

nendroid wrote: post #356

mda wrote: post #347

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Don't be patronizing please, it was fully deserved and I absolutely don't mind readindg it.

I minded. Because his opinion is in line with what the Chinese perspective. We as americans vehemently disagree, but a chinese citizen, after witnessing several terrorist attacks by the Uighur which slaughtered hundreds of chinese people, will obviously have a different perspective. This isn't a one time isolated incident... these were multiple attacks occurring with no end in sight. Rather than not minding insults t…

Uighur attacks only happened after a decade of repression. The CCP govt moved Han chinese into the region and took away employment and other things that Uighurs used to enjoy turning them into second class citizens. Some people out of frustration committed the attacks which is exactly what CCP wanted to fully go in and start clearing and fully occupying them.

You sound like a Han Chinese. Imagine yourself in their shoes. There's lots of Chinese diaspora in other countries. What if one of the countries decided to do that with the Han Chinese? Would you still side with the host country?