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Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by gambiting »

pkulak wrote: post #221
01100011 wrote: post #202

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> I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. They have a positive reputation? I've been a loyal Googler for about 20 years. Nexus, Pixel, Chromecasts, GMail, Fi, Android TV, Google Domains... I'm about done. It seems like every month they do something to make it more apparent that they're just an advertising company. Products fail to get maintained, they get upgrades th…

I'm the same way, except that photos is still amazing.

Photos continues changing interface every few months, every time without any clear reason or logic. The underlying product is solid, but photos(and other Google products) definitely feel like they have some very expensive designers who continuously have to justify their own existence by changing the interface over and over and over again, without any reason to keep changing it other than securing their own jobs.

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Post by conradfr »

onion2k wrote: post #214
ehsankia wrote: post #179

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Even if could only get music, I still don't want meme songs like Gangnam Style and What does the Fox say as actual songs I listen to.

I'm curious to know what you think should happen to those. They are songs after all, and some people liked them because they actually do like them as songs, so how would Google determine what reason you liked them for? Are you suggesting Google shouldn't bring likes for certain songs over to YT music because you liked them 'as memes' rather than as music?

Yes.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by deepsun »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #93

And FWIW, the migration doesn't work. The "thumbs up" playlist goes into YT Music "Liked music" which includes all sorts of other YouTube "music-ish" videos that we have liked over the years and the order is all jacked up, plus mixed with all that other stuff. So your "Liked Music" is now, not what you intended. The migration was super botched by the product team because of this.

I migrated everything to Spotify using Soundiiz (for a fee), it's much closer to GPM than Youtube Music.

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Post by nickcox »

3np wrote: post #144
Causality1 wrote: post #115

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It's great right now for you. You don't worry about Google deciding to go about things totally differently in 18 months and shut it down? I don't pay for Google products because they have a shorter shelf-life than a bottle of ketchup.

> shorter shelf-life than a bottle of ketchup You know, that doesn’t really work, because ketchup lasts for ages

If you don't like ketchup, I guess.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by mittermayr »

Google strikes me as the kind of company where middle-management "just wants or needs to do _something_ to demonstrate _impact_" and just goes ahead and does it their way, and meanwhile, developers (who undoubtedly are top-notch in their own regard) also want to put their skills to good use and just decide to do it "their way" too, with no synchronizing/harmonizing interface between those two groups. And every once in a while, a developer or UX researcher gets thrown in the mix (or middle) to try and build some kind of a bridge between them. It really looks like projects are started out of a crazy overnight "we need to do SOMETHING NOW" hurry, and then 6 months down the road, everyone just sort of lost interest and moved on to other things.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ricopags »

I'm autistic and have ADHD and music is my primary special interest. I have a large collection of rare and unique tracks, and I listen to music every day. I've been very satisfied with Google Play Music and now I'm having this utterly abysmal YT Music bs forced on me. It feels like a cruel joke.

I'm grateful for this thread because this move absolutely destroyed my last bit of good will towards Google. I'm incensed over it. The YT Music app is so much worse an experience, it is acutely evident users are not what Google has in mind with this app. Just embarrassingly bad, as has been noted by many others here.

For the users who stay using the undeniably worse app, Google will see more views for yt videos, upping their vanity metrics there. The addition of ads playing on music that I brought to the app in the base edition is awful, but good for the bottom line of the ads group.

Meanwhile, thanks to this horseshit, I am [finally] pulling my personal domain off of their G-suite, my next phone is going to be an iPhone [or a Librem], and I'm going to offer my services free to any of the clients I've put on to G-suite [several dozen over the years, regrettably] who want to egress somewhere safer.

Youtube is inescapable for video and I will likely always use it. But I'm going to stop paying for ad free and find other ways to get what I want from Google without giving them anything in return.

I'll also do everything in my power to try to make the ill will this has generated into a chorus.

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Post by runawaybottle »

ehsankia wrote: post #185
ssambros wrote: post #66

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> How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. It's not a rebrand. It's a rewrite. People need them promos. In many cases, however, rewrites are actually warranted. As underlying infra gets replaced it becomes very expensive to run and maintain legacy services.

Rewrites are warranted, but rebranded every time you rewrite is not. Being able to replace core components while keeping the same brand and feature set is what takes real effort. Throwing everything out and making a completely different app with is imo a bit lazy and bad for the user. If you truly must change things, gradual piece by piece changes is far prefered than complete 100% replacements like GPM -> YTM. If th…

I don’t think Google set up a predictable product iteration unveiling structure. One day I expect to see the PlayStation 6 for example, and one day I expect to see an update to the MacBook, and so on.

One day, do I expect to see an unveiling of a new Gmail UI? None of it is predictable because it feels like they do some serious a/b tests and just silently roll stuff out. They lack a structured presentation timeline. Currently users have no predictable expectations.

When that’s the case, just rename stuff, rebrand stuff, get rid of stuff, who the fuck cares. We didn’t promise the user updates, or even iterations, we simply promised them a one time product.

That’s the only thing that I can think of behind all of this. The simpler answer could just be their product team is not the best of the best for a company that works pretty hard at getting the best.

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Post by jankiehodgpodge »

packetlost wrote: post #123
CamelCaseName wrote: post #94

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Then let me be the first. YouTube Music has the one feature I care about: A catalogue that includes everything from well-known music from top artists, to the random indie music that got a grand total of 10,000 views on YouTube when it was published 8 years ago. Sure I could download these songs (assuming RIAA takes its teeth out of youtube-dl) and upload them to most music players, but YouTube Music facilitates disco…

Too bad it has worse playlist management than freaking Windows Media Player from 2004. Seriously, I can't fucking find my playlists. I can't organize them. I can't search for them. I can't even easily create new ones by dragging multiple songs into them. And the icing on the cake is they get polluted with my decade old playlists from YouTube. I absolutely detest YouTube music. It's only redeeming feature is a halfway…

To be honest I remember Windows Media player 9 or 10 having really good library management. Used it until I switched to GPM.

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Post by Twisell »

wil421 wrote: post #52
et1337 wrote: post #12

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iTunes would like a word with you...

iTunes evolved into Apple Music because most people aren’t downloading MP3s or ripping their CDs anymore.

Also I just happened last week to rip in Apple Music some of my teenager years CD before packing and storing them.

This is still an option. Likewise the playlists I created on the go on my iPod Nano in a 2008ish trip reliably got migrated from versions to versions up until now.

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Post by AnssiH »

tupputuppu wrote: post #227
pkulak wrote: post #221

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I'm the same way, except that photos is still amazing.

The lock-in with Photos they've slowly moved in is phenomenal. The exporting of originals is always somehow difficult due to random bugs. Lately I've had to resort to Takeout with some relatives to migrate them to Dropbox where they're not locked in, and about 20% of the photos don't contain any exported metadata. It's ridiculous since Google Photos shows those same pictures clearly on the timeline, indicating it doe…

If you are in EU, you can make a request for not-included-in-Takeout data here:

https://support.google.com/policies/contact/sar

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