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Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by philistine »

makecheck wrote: post #23
ozmbie wrote: post #6

How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. While Apple have a single message service (iMessage) and a single music service (Apple Music) that have been consistently branded with constant growth and show no signs of being shut down? As a consumer I have no idea what’s going on with some areas of Google’s products. It’s a major turn off.

Apple has had iTunes, and for a time a music “social network” Ping. The original messaging tool was called iChat before it was iMessage. Apple has also had multiple Internet services that were more or less the same (iTools, .Mac, iCloud). Even Contacts used to be called Address Book, and Wallet used to be called Passbook. Google still does worse but renaming things is pretty common.

What Apple did in your examples was definitely rename. What Google does in the examples mentioned above is definitely shuttering.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by bobthepanda »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #106

I just removed my Google Home devices and migrated my music service to Tidal because of this whole YouTube Music debacle. Went like this: 1. Suddenly my Google Home would only use YouTube Music when playing to the Chromecast on my TV. 2. YouTube Music, among a bunch of other terrible UX issues around how it considers music to be organized/related, has the extremely annoying quality of always playing videos of the mus…

Curious, why Tidal?

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

kyrra wrote: post #14
ozmbie wrote: post #6

How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. While Apple have a single message service (iMessage) and a single music service (Apple Music) that have been consistently branded with constant growth and show no signs of being shut down? As a consumer I have no idea what’s going on with some areas of Google’s products. It’s a major turn off.

(Googler, opinions are my own) Agreed that it is annoying, but its interesting to look back at how we got here. Google Play Music (GPM) launched in 2011. To get music on here, I'm guessing that team had to sign contracts with the various publishers and record studios. The onboarding and licensing terms of those were likely entirely around this music streaming service. Then you have Youtube. It's been a video hub for…

>Plus, YTM lets you do background music or videos, which is not something you could ever really do with GPM

It doesn't. It forces you to watch videos (if you're steaming to your home stereo or other casting enabled device) and prioritizes the video versions of everything, even if the video isn't officially from the artist and us just some random person's resubmission.

The user experience is almost impossibly terrible. It seems like the kind of curated experience one would concoct if they were trying to prank someone with an intentionally frustratingly hostile UX.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by bla3 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #46
atrus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What platform are you on. because I know for a fact that you can repeat individual songs, and playlists on the Android app. I'm also wondering about the casting, since I regularly cast (again from the Android app) to my minis at home.

> What platform are you on. because I know for a fact that you can repeat individual songs, and playlists on the Android app. That's...bizarre. I'm on Android, and the repeat icon, which I know for a fact was not showing up in the app on my phone any time from when I was forced to use because Google Play Music stopped working on my home speakers through last night, is now showing up. (And, while there is an new updat…

Repeat only works while not casting :(

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Post by Causality1 »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #94
ewmiller wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t heard a single consumer express enthusiasm for the switch to YouTube music. Anyone I’ve casually talked to about it is dismissive and doesn’t really understand what it's even trying to be. If anybody has heard anything from a user's perspective that is in favor of this, I would love to hear that argument. Otherwise I can only assume that this was a typical Google move where product people internally pushed…

Then let me be the first. YouTube Music has the one feature I care about: A catalogue that includes everything from well-known music from top artists, to the random indie music that got a grand total of 10,000 views on YouTube when it was published 8 years ago. Sure I could download these songs (assuming RIAA takes its teeth out of youtube-dl) and upload them to most music players, but YouTube Music facilitates disco…

It's great right now for you. You don't worry about Google deciding to go about things totally differently in 18 months and shut it down? I don't pay for Google products because they have a shorter shelf-life than a bottle of ketchup.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

bobthepanda wrote: post #112
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #106

I just removed my Google Home devices and migrated my music service to Tidal because of this whole YouTube Music debacle. Went like this: 1. Suddenly my Google Home would only use YouTube Music when playing to the Chromecast on my TV. 2. YouTube Music, among a bunch of other terrible UX issues around how it considers music to be organized/related, has the extremely annoying quality of always playing videos of the mus…

Curious, why Tidal?

I tried Deezer, Spotify, Amazon, and Tidal in one day. Tidal had the best mix of predictable intuitive behavior, easy to use UI, and as a bonus it seemed to have the best sound quality.

Though this may not be all that obvious in most setups, it just so happens that one of the persistent relics of a bygone era in my life, when I had more money than brains, is an underappreciated (I mean our TV is hooked to it and plays rounds and rounds of, "We are the Dinosaurs" children's classic), but almost-embarassingly high-end stereo system.

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Post by csallen »

I wish Google would just stick with their products and iterate on them. Instead, they completely stop making fixes and improvements to their products, silently abandon them, and secretly start working on a totally new replacement product. That's probably cleaner to do internally, but it's a horrible experience for users.

I generally like to use Google software, but in the time it took them to reinvent their music player from the ground up while neglecting the previous version, I moved to Spotify.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by bwat49 »

oprypin wrote: post #55
crazygringo wrote: post #40

Is there anything new here? This support article is back from early August, and the announcement was on HN back when it was news. Just curious why this is being posted today.

Probably because Google Play Music is actually being shut down now? That's the case for me, anyway.

Yeah, I just tried logging into google play music and just got a page saying I must transfer to youtube music

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Post by francislavoie »

rtsil wrote: post #74
dlandis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watch YouTube, then probably it's best to stick with Google since you get ad-free YouTube with your subscription (I think?) . Otherwise probably Spotify is better.

Over here (France), ad-free Youtube comes only with Youtube Premium, not Youtube Music Premium (great branding!).

But YouTube Premium comes with YTM so just get that.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by s3r3nity »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #93

And FWIW, the migration doesn't work. The "thumbs up" playlist goes into YT Music "Liked music" which includes all sorts of other YouTube "music-ish" videos that we have liked over the years and the order is all jacked up, plus mixed with all that other stuff. So your "Liked Music" is now, not what you intended. The migration was super botched by the product team because of this.

>The migration was super botched by the product team because of this.

I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point.

I can count on one hand the number of positive launches from that company that didn't involve buying another company or product.

It's almost as if they're so good at playing politics and "the game" that people can't see the actual track record is shit.

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