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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ThatPlayer » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

hatsunearu wrote: post #170

Youtube music is absolute garbage. I can't use my youtube account, and I have to use my google account to access my tranferred music. And if I switch to my google account, I am logged out of youtube, and all my subscriptions are gone. I listen to very uncommon music that's not available anywhere to be streamed. Google Play Music was the only solution for streaming all my collection. I am looking for replacements... p…

Plex server with the newer Plexamp app has been my replacement, but you do need a PlexPass subscription for it.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ehsankia » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:09 AM UTC

jrnichols wrote: post #177

makecheck wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has had iTunes, and for a time a music “social network” Ping. The original messaging tool was called iChat before it was iMessage. Apple has also had multiple Internet services that were more or less the same (iTools, .Mac, iCloud). Even Contacts used to be called Address Book, and Wallet used to be called Passbook. Google still does worse but renaming things is pretty common.

> Google still does worse but renaming things is pretty common. Feels like Google has renamed a few things to be too close to Apple's. Google Wallet became Google Pay. Picasa became Google Photos. also they have Google Drive. Google Messages...

Picasa is quite different from Photos, and Wallet wasn't quite the same as Pay. Android Pay and Google Wallet merged together to become Google Pay.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by freetonik » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:10 AM UTC

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #164

Given that Google Play Music was the default app for "I just want to play that folder full of MP3s on my phone", and YouTube Music really isn't handling that use case well, what other player do people use/recommend for this? I don't care about online features. Folder, mp3, maybe a m3u/m3u8 file, play. Simple.

Pulsar is pretty good. I have tried almost every player in the play store, but most of them had big UX problems in my opinion.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by pontifier » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

They probably don't want to be on the hook for the administrative fee required under the Music Modernization Act.

It's probably going to kill a bunch of small music services.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ehsankia » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

ssambros wrote: post #66

ozmbie wrote: post #6

How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. While Apple have a single message service (iMessage) and a single music service (Apple Music) that have been consistently branded with constant growth and show no signs of being shut down? As a consumer I have no idea what’s going on with some areas of Google’s products. It’s a major turn off.

> How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. It's not a rebrand. It's a rewrite. People need them promos. In many cases, however, rewrites are actually warranted. As underlying infra gets replaced it becomes very expensive to run and maintain legacy services.

Rewrites are warranted, but rebranded every time you rewrite is not. Being able to replace core components while keeping the same brand and feature set is what takes real effort. Throwing everything out and making a completely different app with is imo a bit lazy and bad for the user.

If you truly must change things, gradual piece by piece changes is far prefered than complete 100% replacements like GPM -> YTM.

If they had slowly migrated GPM behind the scene to use Youtube over the years, and then after 2-3 years, just changed the name, I'm sure users would've been far less alienated.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by cageface » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

banaana wrote: post #154

reificator wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Google Play Music was great because you could host your collection with them and mix it with their streaming library fairly seamlessly. Since the announcement of GPM's demise I haven't found a single other platform that fills this niche.

Apple Music has filled that need for me quite well

This is the main reason I prefer it to Spotify.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ThatPlayer » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

drumttocs8 wrote: post #138

Is there a self hosted alternative to Google Play Music? The software was an excellent free service- just not very good at making money for Google. A lot of us with music collections are running NAS- surely something can fill the void. Right now I'm using MusicBee for playing flac locally, Spotify for streaming on the go.

I'm using Plex. They've been working on their Plexamp music player app for a bit, and it works fine for me.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by axaxs » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #180

axaxs wrote: post #102

Ugh. Unlike some others, my 'migration' worked, but YT Music sucks. Sorry to be blunt and short, but that's how I best describe it. It's in every way worse than GPM for my use. I legally buy songs, and just want to stream them. YT Music is obsessed with, after playing an upload, playing random music with ads in it, rather than say, playing the next upload. The only thing that works without much complaints is a playli…

Google is out of the music purchase business, they no longer have licensing for that. That feature is fully gone. Out of curiosity, are you a premium member or are you using YTM at free tier? I find the free tier version is much more handicapped compared to GPM, but arguably GPM was very generous comparative to the competition.

Free tier. I have zero interest in music 'discovery' which is essentially what people want money for. I just want to have a place to buy and stream my own music, anywhere.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by Cloudef » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:27 AM UTC

And Google did really bad move again. Guess its time to install 3rd party music player and buy my music elsewhere.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by mkhpalm » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:32 AM UTC

axaxs wrote: post #102

Ugh. Unlike some others, my 'migration' worked, but YT Music sucks. Sorry to be blunt and short, but that's how I best describe it. It's in every way worse than GPM for my use. I legally buy songs, and just want to stream them. YT Music is obsessed with, after playing an upload, playing random music with ads in it, rather than say, playing the next upload. The only thing that works without much complaints is a playli…

I am a long time google music customer as well and having a hard time enjoying youtube music.

I'm kinda converting to other things with ads to find new music then I just buy the albums and host them on plex. Works like google music did, has android auto, sonos integrations, works from a browser, all the things. Except now I can keep everything in flac, stream on the LAN in lossless, and transcode to whatever while I'm away from home.

The most annoying part is I've had to start buying CDs again for obscure stuff that I can't find online in a lossless format. But they're easy enough to rip and throw in the music folder for plex.