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Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Sounds like local police forces should get this to help keep citizens comfortable while they eat.

Though humorous, this comment serves as a good reminder that anything can be weaponized, and anything can be used as a constructive tool.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Local heating units (clothing/chairs/IR light beams) with human body temperature feedback to make outdoors comfortable during the winter is totally possible now. What is the best product in this space?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Pretty interesting, but from the wiki article looks like it might melt and blur out tattoos which would be a no go in public.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.

Winter in SF can be pretty rough, but if they throw in some heat lamps or something, I may be okay with it post-pandemic.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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> Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases? Is that after adjusting for things like population density/urbanization? Also, while I don't have an easy cross references of case rates and restrictions, it certainly looks like the places at the top of per-capita case rates are also disproportionately places that have not had stro…

Deaths Per Million By State: 1. New Jersey - 183 2. New York - 172 3. Massachusetts - 142 4. Connecticut - 128 5. Louisiana - 124 These states have had some of the harshest restrictions. They've gotten worse results than the mixed approach for the rest of the country. Good case in point: Michigan vs Florida. Both have about the same deaths per million at 74 and 75 respectively. Yet Florida is fully open with no restr…

> Deaths Per Million By State

That is cumulative not current status; unsurprisingly, the states that were hit the hardest often instituted the strongest controls.

But in current cases, those aren't the top any more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/corona...

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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The few times I've eaten outside in the evening the last few months, I've noted how whichever companies that make those outdoor space heaters are probably experiencing a huge boom, as every restaurant capable sports a new or larger outdoor dining area, and even some that aren't capable get public sector help to make it so (e.g. in my city they closed the major downtown strip to auto traffic to allow outdoor dining ar…

I believe these have been banned in Paris terasse due to the pollution they produce.

That is correct, though the ban will not come into force before the end of winter as restaurants have been hard hit by Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53552526

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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> Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases? Is that after adjusting for things like population density/urbanization? Also, while I don't have an easy cross references of case rates and restrictions, it certainly looks like the places at the top of per-capita case rates are also disproportionately places that have not had stro…

Deaths Per Million By State: 1. New Jersey - 183 2. New York - 172 3. Massachusetts - 142 4. Connecticut - 128 5. Louisiana - 124 These states have had some of the harshest restrictions. They've gotten worse results than the mixed approach for the rest of the country. Good case in point: Michigan vs Florida. Both have about the same deaths per million at 74 and 75 respectively. Yet Florida is fully open with no restr…

Worth noting that, in a large part, this is because Michigan has been dealing with Covid-19 for an extra 2 months compared to Florida. Since August, Michigan's per capita death rate has been less than half of Florida's. Yesterday, more than 100 people died of Covid-19 in Florida. That's more than died in New York State over the last 10 days, despite approximately similar populations.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.

I wish they'd close even a single street to car traffic in LA. A single one. Instead restaurants sprawl into the sidewalk and leave a little 2 food wide strip where you walk within spit fleck distance of dozens of maskless people eating and drinking and talking loud. I just look for a break in traffic to walk along the road or cross the street entirely.

Main street in downtown Culver City is closed -- for the single block it spans. It's something. It'd definitely be nice to see more of that elsewhere.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Mild? Haha. My wife and I celebrated our anniversary back in late June by visiting the city and having dinner outdoors. Despite patio heaters, being on the leeward side of the building, and blankets(!!!) provided by the proprietor, we were absolutely freezing. I understand it's probably fine now , but give it a month or so.

Historically, it can well be worse in June than November, haha.

Yeah it's typical CA weather. The heat may not start until August but it hangs around until Nov/Dec. The thing is, we're just about to the end of the warm season. The rains may(it's a La Niña year, right?) start soon, and cold weather as well.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Mild? Haha. My wife and I celebrated our anniversary back in late June by visiting the city and having dinner outdoors. Despite patio heaters, being on the leeward side of the building, and blankets(!!!) provided by the proprietor, we were absolutely freezing. I understand it's probably fine now , but give it a month or so.

Maybe you were dressed optimistically? SF has many problems. Weather is not one of them.

Having lived in San Francisco this year, I beg to differ. Next time I move I'm going to look hard for central air conditioning.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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The few times I've eaten outside in the evening the last few months, I've noted how whichever companies that make those outdoor space heaters are probably experiencing a huge boom, as every restaurant capable sports a new or larger outdoor dining area, and even some that aren't capable get public sector help to make it so (e.g. in my city they closed the major downtown strip to auto traffic to allow outdoor dining ar…

I'm curious what the energy formula on those things looks like. Is cold weather outdoor socializing going to help us catch up on the backlog of fossil fuel we haven't been burning in our cars?

A quick calculation: space heating in food service normally uses 46 trillion BTU of energy [1]. That's 0.05% of all energy consumed in the US, which has dipped by about 10-15% [2]. So if these space heaters would increase heating energy use 5-fold annually across the entire food service industry (I think that's a high estimate), that would undo 2% of the dip.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/consumption/commercial/data/2012/c&e/pdf..., table E1. [2] https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec2_3.pdf

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