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That’s mostly in Paris. Don’t think I’ve seen that elsewhere.
Barcelona too.
Really? I’ve been there many times and have never noticed. Maybe it’s a newer trend?
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Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining
#62I would go with a headline more along the lines of Chefs Forced to Change Menus due to Government Restrictions
How about "chefs adapting to reality of life during a pandemic?"
Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases?
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#63Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.
Yes. I got to experience this on a trip back to LA (family health fun and games). I hope after all the misery is over that the increased open air dining and parklets stick around.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about "chefs adapting to reality of life during a pandemic?"
Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases?
> Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases?
Is that after adjusting for things like population density/urbanization?
Also, while I don't have an easy cross references of case rates and restrictions, it certainly looks like the places at the top of per-capita case rates are also disproportionately places that have not had strong mandatory restrictions, so I suspect your claim is wrong as stated, too.
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Mild? Haha. My wife and I celebrated our anniversary back in late June by visiting the city and having dinner outdoors. Despite patio heaters, being on the leeward side of the building, and blankets(!!!) provided by the proprietor, we were absolutely freezing. I understand it's probably fine now , but give it a month or so.
Historically, it can well be worse in June than November, haha.
>The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.
-- (fictional) Mark Twain
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases?
> Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases? Is that after adjusting for things like population density/urbanization? Also, while I don't have an easy cross references of case rates and restrictions, it certainly looks like the places at the top of per-capita case rates are also disproportionately places that have not had stro…
Deaths Per Million By State:
1. New Jersey - 183
2. New York - 172
3. Massachusetts - 142
4. Connecticut - 128
5. Louisiana - 124
These states have had some of the harshest restrictions. They've gotten worse results than the mixed approach for the rest of the country.
Good case in point: Michigan vs Florida. Both have about the same deaths per million at 74 and 75 respectively. Yet Florida is fully open with no restrictions. And Michigan had some of the harshest lockdowns and restrictions.
Density may have been some kind of argument early on, but we are 9 or 10 months into this. The virus has had a chance to spread.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining
#67Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.
Mild? Haha. My wife and I celebrated our anniversary back in late June by visiting the city and having dinner outdoors. Despite patio heaters, being on the leeward side of the building, and blankets(!!!) provided by the proprietor, we were absolutely freezing. I understand it's probably fine now , but give it a month or so.
Maybe you were dressed optimistically? SF has many problems. Weather is not one of them.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because there's dozens of states where indoor dining is not restricted at all and they're getting no different results in Covid cases? Is that after adjusting for things like population density/urbanization? Also, while I don't have an easy cross references of case rates and restrictions, it certainly looks like the places at the top of per-capita case rates are also disproportionately places that have not had stro…
Deaths Per Million By State: 1. New Jersey - 183 2. New York - 172 3. Massachusetts - 142 4. Connecticut - 128 5. Louisiana - 124 These states have had some of the harshest restrictions. They've gotten worse results than the mixed approach for the rest of the country. Good case in point: Michigan vs Florida. Both have about the same deaths per million at 74 and 75 respectively. Yet Florida is fully open with no restr…
Density is always a primary factor. It doesn't go away just because 10 months have passed.
Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining
#69Isn’t it crazy what people will do to preserve their way of life when it no longer makes sense and there are good alternatives? Not every food works as takeout, but it’s hardly a deprivation.
This doesn't seem that crazy to me. But I do live in a relatively cold climate. Outdoor dining in 50F weather was a thing we'd do even before the pandemic hit. Heck, I've done outdoor dining below freezing in the mountain town where my brother lives. The best way to combat cabin fever is to get out of the cabin.
Well sure, but there are plenty of less-risky outdoor activities during a pandemic.
Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining
#70Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.
I wish they'd close even a single street to car traffic in LA. A single one. Instead restaurants sprawl into the sidewalk and leave a little 2 food wide strip where you walk within spit fleck distance of dozens of maskless people eating and drinking and talking loud. I just look for a break in traffic to walk along the road or cross the street entirely.