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Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by baby »

paxys wrote: post #33

Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.

I almost felt like I was back in Europe. Slow streets or blocked streets allowing people and bars and restaurants to reclaim some of that space. It’s a treat. I hope it stays this way after covid19 and people realize how much car roads are killing the liveness in a city.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by baby »

eatonphil wrote: post #40
paxys wrote: post #33

Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.

Same in NYC. It's so great to see the almost competition by restaurants to outdo each other in designing outdoor spaces. I really hope these changes stay permanently. My only gripe is that we haven't figured out the European style where all the seats face the road. :)

That’s mostly in Paris. Don’t think I’ve seen that elsewhere.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by baby »

kbenson wrote: post #35

The few times I've eaten outside in the evening the last few months, I've noted how whichever companies that make those outdoor space heaters are probably experiencing a huge boom, as every restaurant capable sports a new or larger outdoor dining area, and even some that aren't capable get public sector help to make it so (e.g. in my city they closed the major downtown strip to auto traffic to allow outdoor dining ar…

I believe these have been banned in Paris terasse due to the pollution they produce.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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echelon wrote: post #22
munificent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No restaurant that I can think of has outdoor dining in the winter. I live in Georgia, and our winters are fairly mild compared to northern states. I grew up in the South and live in the Pacific Northwest now. I think you see a lot less outdoor dining in the South not because of the winters but because of the summers. It's so hot that eating outside is miserable half the year, so restaurants aren't physically desig…

> It's so hot that eating outside is miserable half the year This is wrong in my experience. There are hundreds of restaurants equipped for summer dining [1]. Lots of restaurants have open rooftops, patio seating, open-air "fireman"-style garage door walls, etc. Pretty much every BBQ joint and taqueria is outdoors. Outdoor eating is very popular in the Georgia summer. [1] https://www.gafollowers.com/13-rooftop-bars-a…

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Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

jariel wrote: post #30

It's common in Europe but didn't quite catch on in the milder US states, maybe it will now. It's actually a nice concept, but NY state and North it won't work every day, and unlike 'breaking for rain'. there are long periods of at least several days, sometimes weeks, where it's 'too dam cold' which makes it really hard to operate, i.e. 'just on the nice days'. And FYI for the skiiers chiming in, it's not the same thi…

Manhattan has had outdoor winter dining on Stone St. for a few years. It benefits from being a sheltered narrow space easy to fill with tents and trap heat.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by samcheng »

every wrote: post #26

Somewhat along the same line, I expect a resurgence of outdoor beer gardens. Every super-spreader event to-date included a crowd, indoors, with poor ventilation and few if any masks in evidence. That is pretty much the definition of any standard bar, pub or tavern. And hey, outdoors in January your beer stays colder longer as a bonus...

Milwaukee has been reviving the beer garden concept for about a decade now. It works well - even in county parks! But not in January.

https://county.milwaukee.gov/EN/Parks/Explore/Beer-Gardens

Of course, it's a big part of the cultural heritage in Milwaukee, so municipal beer gardens may be a pipe dream in more puritanical cities.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by adewinter »

baby wrote: post #42
eatonphil wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in NYC. It's so great to see the almost competition by restaurants to outdo each other in designing outdoor spaces. I really hope these changes stay permanently. My only gripe is that we haven't figured out the European style where all the seats face the road. :)

That’s mostly in Paris. Don’t think I’ve seen that elsewhere.

Netherlands and Belgium do it too.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by rubyfan »

baby wrote: post #41
paxys wrote: post #33

Closed streets and expanded outdoor dining is the best thing to come to SF during the pandemic, especially since the weather is mild enough that they can be utilized year-round. I really hope the city decides to extend them beyond December.

I almost felt like I was back in Europe. Slow streets or blocked streets allowing people and bars and restaurants to reclaim some of that space. It’s a treat. I hope it stays this way after covid19 and people realize how much car roads are killing the liveness in a city.

The first time I was in Europe on a road built for humans to walk on, I kept looking over my shoulder waiting for a car to make its way down the roads. I was pleasantly surprised.

Re: Chefs are adapting their menus for chilly outdoor dining

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Post by mjn »

VectorLock wrote: post #20
throwaway889900 wrote: post #11

I think the most odd thing is the cheap hardware store greenhouses for outdoor dining that are shown. I guess those patio heaters don't really do the trick do they?

If you build a greenhouse around your outdoor dining area, is it an outdoor dining area any more?

Exactly what's considered "outdoor" in that respect depends on the jurisdiction. For example DC's current regulations allow tents to count as outdoor dining as long as they have no more than one side closed [1]. Other places allow more enclosed tents.

[1] https://coronavirus.dc.gov/page/coronavirus-new-and-expanded...

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