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Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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I like it, but +66 is Thailand already. It would probably get one of the available +87x or +88x codes. If they aren't just going to issue numbers from the home country.

I like it, but +66 is Thailand already. Maybe Thailand could be reassigned. Like when Mexico dropped out of +1 to become +52. Or maybe instead of +, we dial & to get off-planet.

There should definitely be a prefix for celestial bodies added. Probably a lot of work though so we’ll just give each body a country code.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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It's crazy to think only three space programs have soft landed on the moon. And since the first in 1966, there have only been about 2 dozen soft landings on the moon. We tend to forget it's really hard to do.

I think the full list is Luna 9, 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 24 (1966-1976) Surveyor 1, 3, 5, 6, 7 (1966-68) Apollo 11,12,14,15,16,17 (1969-72) Chang'e 3 and 4 (2013 + 2019)

The gaps in numbers are telling.

And even Apollo which was by far and away the most successful had three astronauts killed on the launchpad and Apollo 13's lunar landing scrubbed.

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SPICE is pretty awesome. I wish that more people in the aerospace industry were aware of, including people AT NASA. I work at a company contracting on NASA projects and a couple weeks ago I had to correct their code because they weren't accounting for the leap second offset between UTC and GPS correctly. When I asked why he wrote his own function instead of using SPICE he responded "what's SPICE?". Literally people i…

Need to bring back some of those brownbag lunch & learn events, starting with "SPICE up your clocks"! Except people might not be comfortable sitting in the same room these days

Comfort won't be much of a factor since most NASA centers are completely work from home for non-mission-critical work for the indefinite future. Nonetheless, we do have a ton of these kinds of things going on all the time. The bigger problem is that NASA's culture is so meeting heavy that it's hard to justify these kinds of low importance events on my calendar.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Couldn't they just bury the box containing the circuitry under a few feet of lunar soil?

The limited experience we have with digging on the moon suggests when you get past the initial few centimeters of dust, it is hard as a rock.

They could drop a payload of 3310's from orbit.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Delta T in this case is probably referring to the change between the minimum and maximum temperatures experienced on the surface of the moon. In other words, the delta between something getting really hot spending 14 days in direct sunlight with no convection to cool it down and then getting really cold spending 14 days in darkness. Delta T (for temperature) can also refer to the delta in temperature across an object…

> In other words, the delta between something getting really hot spending 14 days in direct sunlight with no convection to cool it down and then getting really cold spending 14 days in darkness. Hmm. Could a buffer (e.g. water) be used? Basically... radiate heat out of the buffer when it's cold and move heat from the device into the buffer when it's warm?

Water could work as a buffer, but so could a rock, and this circles back to GGP's original point.

Similar reasoning (with perhaps higher focus on radiation than ∆T) applies to Mars, and is probably one of the side reasons Musk started The Boring Company.

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I've been wanting to move to Wy, but I can't figure out what locations actually have decent internet. Looks like Casper has gigabit fiber? That's all I can tell so far.

In live in San Antonio and while you can get gigabit AT&T even Google Fiber (I can get either) many neighborhoods have 25-50 mbit max from AT&T so you get whatever your cable provider (Spectrum offers).

I'm in San Antonio as well and I've had gigabit fiber in both downtown (currently) and north side residences.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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It depends on which layer you're asking about addressing. You can represent anything non-relatavistic on top of the Unix epoch, and it could be handled as simply as using alternate time zones. The big problems come from huge Earth assumptions about interval duration and interval sequencing being violated. A lunar day is 29.5 Earth days. Does the lunar calendar use solar days, and just have absurdly long weeks and yea…

Off earth you have a launch criterion and accumulated subjective seconds. That's your onboard time. There are no days, weeks, months, years. Just count the seconds and make sure everyone knows the epoch you started at. Now, let's suppose you have a permanent settled outpost on Luna. You still use accumulated seconds as your time basis, but for casual conversation, you can talk about any Earth time marking that makes…

Mission elapsed time just complicates things. Now that we have enough memory that we don't need to worry so much about overflow, we just use the Unix epoch even onboard spacecraft.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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There’s lots of comments about roaming charges and dialling codes here but despite using 4G/LTE I’m assuming this is a closed network - you won’t be able to call an astronaut without going through NASA.

For reaching astronauts, we'll have to wait for them to put a ham repeater on the Moon.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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The limited experience we have with digging on the moon suggests when you get past the initial few centimeters of dust, it is hard as a rock.

They could drop a payload of 3310's from orbit.

We don't want to break the moon in half now, c'mon.
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