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Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by rootsudo »

Bhilai wrote: post #67

Dumb question: What gives NASA the authority to build anything on the moon?

All I want to do is reply with a hashtag, but I do understand there's some concerns of militarization of the moon/space.

Yet, people and country who get there first usually get to name it, but then that's a touch of concern in todays times of #colonization yet it has succeeded and failed when you look at USA, Spain, UK, France....

Meanwhile, would any viable competitors in terms of China and Russia honor and think about this as if "NASA" has authority vs "they were first too?"

So, #America!

In the grand scheme of things, USA has been much much fair in terms of diplomacy across the world, from shipping channels and helping peace (through war, unfortunately, sometimes) vs China or Russia.

So it's a good question, really good.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by FlyMoreRockets »

secondcoming wrote: post #81
Nokinside wrote: post #39

Radiation environment on the moon is worse than in the LEO. Earth's magnetic field is not protecting in the Moon. It's unclear how much rad-hard they need if they don't use it for anything safety critical. Rad-hard 90nm SoC for 4G/LTE should be relatively straightforward. Or maybe they use redundancy and use already available few generation old chipsets. Changes for thermal management and testing eats most of the bud…

Couldn't they just bury the box containing the circuitry under a few feet of lunar soil?

The limited experience we have with digging on the moon suggests when you get past the initial few centimeters of dust, it is hard as a rock.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by FlyMoreRockets »

ztjio wrote: post #123
reaperducer wrote: post #20

Does this mean the ITU is going to assign the moon a country code? I vote for +6666 (MOON). Who decides what parts of the moon get what area codes? Imagine how long it will take to get Orange to instal a landline in a crater!

Why would it be 6666 and not 5862?

I vote for 20010.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by DataGata »

fsloth wrote: post #136
tengbretson wrote: post #14

Cool and all, but I'd settle for a cellular network in Wyoming.

I don’t think that has anything to do with Nasa or Nokia?

It has to do with that the expense of setting up a cellular network is so expensive that it hasn't be done in large parts of the earth, much less another celestial body.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by tengbretson »

fsloth wrote: post #136
tengbretson wrote: post #14

Cool and all, but I'd settle for a cellular network in Wyoming.

I don’t think that has anything to do with Nasa or Nokia?

Somewhere, a person with the expertise to deploy cellular networks is working on this rather than WY.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by LinuxBender »

Miner49er wrote: post #92
LinuxBender wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wanting to move to Wy, but I can't figure out what locations actually have decent internet. Looks like Casper has gigabit fiber? That's all I can tell so far.

What do you consider decent? Gigabit only? You can get at least 60-100 Mbps in most towns, as long as you aren't out of town. Probably gigabit if you're willing to pay a lot. Spectrum is the main option in the big towns. Looks like you can get gigabit from them in the big towns for $110/month for the first 12 months. Not sure what it would go to after that. If you live out of town, or in a really small town, you're g…

100-200 mb/s is decent for me. I can multiplex multiple cable modems so not a problem. It would be great to get something at the edge of town that has a lot of land, but I might have to settle for DSL.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by dr_orpheus »

FlyMoreRockets wrote: post #140
nimbius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it doesnt need to last long enough for the first permanent moon colony, just long enough to get the investors excited and bump the stock. frankly i think a moon colony thats anything but underground is a laughably myopic idea. the delta T for the moon is pretty insane.

Delta T? Please explain. I'm familiar with DeltaV, but pretty much all the delta T usages I have seen refer to a time interval. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v

Delta T in this case is probably referring to the change between the minimum and maximum temperatures experienced on the surface of the moon. In other words, the delta between something getting really hot spending 14 days in direct sunlight with no convection to cool it down and then getting really cold spending 14 days in darkness.

Delta T (for temperature) can also refer to the delta in temperature across an object as well. One side is very hot and one side is very cold. Often used when describing problems of relative thermal expansion.

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by vagrantJin »

mdifrgechd wrote: post #125
bouncycastle wrote: post #18

If there is intelligent life somewhere out there, when they travel to space, I wonder if they also insist on operating technology that is at least one generation back, for the reason of "proven reliability"? I'd say probably yes. If we ever get a visit from them, that "shmux semiconductor" will be the old model...

It's interesting to see you speculate that it would be a culture that prioritizes reliability. I could also imagine that it is more like the Vikings or Polynesians where some fishermen pushed technology further than before and ended up somewhere new. That kind of "bravery" or experimentation has sometimes played of in past circumstances much better than some kind of architected reliability / safety focused approach.

It has to safety oriented. Space is death. Advanced civilizations can probably harness that danger like we do fire and electricity but we still f#@$ it up burning buildings and cars. Thus we spend time and energy with fire safety. Space is a different ballgame

Re: Nokia selected by NASA to build cellular network on the moon

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Post by fsloth »

DataGata wrote: post #144
fsloth wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that has anything to do with Nasa or Nokia?

It has to do with that the expense of setting up a cellular network is so expensive that it hasn't be done in large parts of the earth, much less another celestial body.

That's the business of network providers. To acquire the hardware, install them, and operate the service. That has nothing to do with Nasa or Nokia.

I don't know why there are areas in US that lack service providers. Maybe someone here can explain it - I presume the reason has to do with something US specific about the business rather the overall cost since lots of low GDP areas globally can have good cellular coverage.

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