Whenever I think of the EU I can't think of a single tech giant from there, countries that come to mind for me are the US, China, Japan and Taiwan. The only things I know about the EU when it comes to tech is it trying to push massive global regulations around tech. For reference I'm a 23 year old from the US. Nothing I have is made in Europe and I don't deal with any EU companies. Even my bike computer was made by a…
There is a high chance you have been typing that message on a device with a chip that was produced by one of ASML's lithography machines.
> It works well, and the pricing is very appealing. But it's not even remotely in the same league as AWS/GC/Azure. IMHO Hetzner is far above AWS/GC/Azure in price and simplicity. The only drawback I see in Hetzner is that they don't have a lot of data centers with a relevant geographic dispersion, but that's only relevant for a Unicorn-level scale, or applications that require TP99.99 latency in the lower-end of the…
You skipped over without mentioning the gist of the comment you replied too, which was the large amount of additional services that those other companies offer, but Hetzner does not.
If you're referring to AWS's "serverless" offering, they are mostly managed instances of FLOSS offerings with the exception of dynamodb, and arguably are far from justifying the colossal premium they charge for using them. I mean, does anyone claim with a straight face that without AWS it's practically impossible to get a database or a message broker up and running?
Europe doesn't need to create these companies. If Europe used this money to create the infrastructure for smaller companies to work together horizontally and vertically to form similar offerings they could end up with something better, at lower cost. This is a model that worked extremely well in Japan in the latter half of the 20ths century, and was mostly responsible for its economic miracle: https://en.wikipedia.or…
Nope. Big IT (which is highly creative stuff) cannot be built top-down, only bottom up. Europe is and will be an IT wasteland.
Nothing can't be certain for the 'will be' part.
With enough policy tools and barrier, EU cloud will happen.
> It works well, and the pricing is very appealing. But it's not even remotely in the same league as AWS/GC/Azure. IMHO Hetzner is far above AWS/GC/Azure in price and simplicity. The only drawback I see in Hetzner is that they don't have a lot of data centers with a relevant geographic dispersion, but that's only relevant for a Unicorn-level scale, or applications that require TP99.99 latency in the lower-end of the…
You skipped over without mentioning the gist of the comment you replied too, which was the large amount of additional services that those other companies offer, but Hetzner does not.
One person's rich services are another's vendor lock-in.
Scaleway and OVH are also great if you have clients or audience in the EU. Hetzner is just a reseller of others' infra but it's also nice. Kind of annoying how they ask for your ID and issue randomly generated login names, but the platform is good.
That's BS, they own every single Data-center, never had to send an ID and my login name is the same since beginning. I think you don't talk about hetzner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzner
I signed up for their storage offer (that you manage via their Konsole tool), and the first thing they needed to let me use my account was a scan of my ID. They even required a photo of me holding it.
several people still remember the Stasi and they don't want a state controlled app to monitor their movement. If you want your app to have the biggest installation base (without asking for a mandatory installation) you can't ask for user location, with it enabled fewer people will install it
... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation. Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.
Please don't compare anti-consumer behaviour of US mega-corporations with the atrocities that intelligence services behind the Iron Curtain committed on their own peoples. It's simply not in the same ballpark.
You're talking out of your ass. Literally everyone who knows anything calls the German app a huge success, especially compared with similar efforts.
In Finland, the authorities reserved 6M to create a contact tracing app and all support systems. They ended up building it for 150k, with 250k more to operate it until the end of next year. Half the population downloaded it in the first days and it works great. It's completely privacy-focused and the UX is great for both individuals as well as the government. Is the German tracking solution really 400 times as comple…
>Is the German tracking solution really 400 times as complex?
That's irrelevant when it comes to spending. The cost of something is always proportional to how much the customer(here the German government, read the taxpayer) is willing to spend not how complex the project is. While it might not be more complicated to implement than in Finland, the German government has more money than the Finish government so it was billed(read fleeced) accordingly.
It's like asking "Are SV engineer really 400x times better coders than Europeans?". Maybe not, but they can charge 400x more because their market conditions allow them to. Simple.
As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…
Pretty much. Just like the funding for Covid recovery and green projects. All taken up by big companies, zero chance for a small business to get a grant. Which is simply stupid.
Throw more money at the current system, which has gotten bloated and complacent and clearly doesn't really work. The taxpayers pay for it.
60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.
> That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US. It's a lot less than that in terms of total personnel costs ($100K is a modest salary-only for a software engineer, it's extremely low as a full cost of employment.)
IT salaries in egalitarian Europe are a lot lower than in US.
Europe doesn't need to create these companies. If Europe used this money to create the infrastructure for smaller companies to work together horizontally and vertically to form similar offerings they could end up with something better, at lower cost. This is a model that worked extremely well in Japan in the latter half of the 20ths century, and was mostly responsible for its economic miracle: https://en.wikipedia.or…
Nope. Big IT (which is highly creative stuff) cannot be built top-down, only bottom up. Europe is and will be an IT wasteland.
It's all about order. Established companies are the order. Anyone muddling the water is a threat to order, so they get sidelined.
It works well for the average citizen, but not so great for innovative and ambitious people.