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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by brazzy »

88840-8855 wrote: post #19
throwaway7281 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. In Italy a startup took over the job for 1/50 of the price and with at least as good or better job. Is the above play a problem for Germany? No. Do you they even understand an problem? I don't think so.

Excellent example with the app. It's an app that could have been designed and made with 100k, less people and better quality. And quicker. The current app is a nightmare. It shows that i had already 2 low risk encounters - but it doesn't show me when and where! I NEED this info to adapt my behavior! very bad app.

You're talking out of your ass.

Literally everyone who knows anything calls the German app a huge success, especially compared with similar efforts.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

worldofmatthew wrote: post #76
88840-8855 wrote: post #70

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Yes. I want that. This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out features in Germany after 7 years) and best of all: JOBS. This would lead to millions of jobs. It would make Europe super interesting for high skilled labor and bring a nice twist into the migration problem we are facing now. Yes, this would hurt America, but yeah...…

So.... Internet censorship.

Id you want to ban Uber, you don't even touch the internet, you just go to the banks.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by nix23 »

petre wrote: post #65
juskrey wrote: post #18

BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.

Scaleway and OVH are also great if you have clients or audience in the EU. Hetzner is just a reseller of others' infra but it's also nice. Kind of annoying how they ask for your ID and issue randomly generated login names, but the platform is good.

That's BS, they own every single Data-center, never had to send an ID and my login name is the same since beginning.

I think you don't talk about hetzner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzner

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by brazzy »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #153

Whenever I read about the EU's struggles to compete with american tech companies (also SAP vs Salesforce), I think of Steve Yegge's rant on AWS, quote: > So one day Jeff Bezos issued a mandate. He's doing that all the time, of course, and people scramble like ants being pounded with a rubber mallet whenever it happens. But on one occasion -- back around 2002 I think, plus or minus a year -- he issued a mandate that w…

You're seriously claiming that the EU cannot compete with US companies because you can't credibly threaten to fire people to show that you're serious about a policy decision?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by jolux »

brazzy wrote: post #160
jolux wrote: post #125

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60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.

The app development itself cost only 4 Million. The rest is the projected total cost through 2021 including the server infrastructure and especially the call center support, which takes about 2000 calls a day.

That’s a pretty large AWS bill too. But I didn’t realize it covered a call center. Those are definitely quite expensive.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by jokethrowaway »

jclos wrote: post #66
88840-8855 wrote: post #35

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if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... ma…

> if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.

The only people who like gdpr and cookie banners are lawyers and agencies who can charge some money for that

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by barrenko »

pydry wrote: post #58
bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

Europe doesn't need to create these companies. If Europe used this money to create the infrastructure for smaller companies to work together horizontally and vertically to form similar offerings they could end up with something better, at lower cost. This is a model that worked extremely well in Japan in the latter half of the 20ths century, and was mostly responsible for its economic miracle: https://en.wikipedia.or…

Nope. Big IT (which is highly creative stuff) cannot be built top-down, only bottom up. Europe is and will be an IT wasteland.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by sokoloff »

robertlagrant wrote: post #130
pydry wrote: post #58

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Europe doesn't need to create these companies. If Europe used this money to create the infrastructure for smaller companies to work together horizontally and vertically to form similar offerings they could end up with something better, at lower cost. This is a model that worked extremely well in Japan in the latter half of the 20ths century, and was mostly responsible for its economic miracle: https://en.wikipedia.or…

This sounds like a recipe for endless consultancy firms to make lots of money out of failed IT projects. Oh, wait. That already happens over here!

To be fair, that happens on both sides of the Atlantic.
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