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yes. i do want that. i do not like American products at all. i would love to see alternatives that actually work and are competitive.
You want your access to Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc to be blocked?
BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Now if only they would start offering managed K8s and enable us to switch from $US-BASED provider.
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Apologies for the stupid question, as I feel like I’m missing something obvious: why is that? Is it the regulatory environment?
It's not a stupid question. First of all, none of the GAFA were actually started as Cloud infrastructure providers. So the question is not why isn't Europe creating big Cloud Infrastructure companies, one could argue that the biggest "pure-player" in Cloud is OVH which is European. If anything it's the (insanely lax and pro-monopoly) American regulatory environment that has the biggest impact on the creation of big C…
> why is that? Is it the regulatory environment?
fcantournet:
> If anything it's the (insanely lax and pro-monopoly) American regulatory environment that has the biggest impact on the creation of big Cloud providers outside of the U.S.
I don't think you can say the problem there is America's lack of regulation preventing European cloud providers (which was what the question was about) from starting.
It seems like the problem there is one of the European regulations being too strict.
Stifling regulation is not a force of nature, it is a lever that can be adjusted.
BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Happy user of Hetzner's dedicated servers. Very nice platform and lots of bang for the buck, paying ~$40/month for Intel Core i7-980, 2x HDD SATA 2,0 TB, 1x SSD SATA 250 GB, 3x RAM 8192 MB DDR3 and unlimited traffic. Hard to beat really. Only gripe is that they only have servers in Europe, wish they had at least North/South American + Asian centers too.
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The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. In Italy a startup took over the job for 1/50 of the price and with at least as good or better job. Is the above play a problem for Germany? No. Do you they even understand an problem? I don't think so.
You are comparing costs of bakery which made an apple pie with the price of apple. 60M budget included much more than just an app, which is basically a frontend to a sophisticated government operation. If you want to make a point about inefficiency of German corporations, find the right figures first. Upd: I previously wrote, that Italian app shares the source code with German one, which was probably not correct. In…
BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Hetzner doesn't compete with AWS, Azure or Google Cloud. They compete primarily with companies like DigitalOcean, Linode, Vultr, OVH, Scaleway and traditional co-location and dedicated hosts. Look at the software offerings from Hetzner, they're barely existent. AWS and Hetzner are very clearly not in the same business. AWS makes its money primarily off of software services, Hetzner makes money primarily off of primit…
As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…
The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. In Italy a startup took over the job for 1/50 of the price and with at least as good or better job. Is the above play a problem for Germany? No. Do you they even understand an problem? I don't think so.
UK has spent 11 billion on a healthcare IT system and got nothing to show for it.
https://independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/hea...
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Yes we’ve all heard it before. It “strictly lowers the signal to noise ratio. We are trying to do something different here.” No, this goal is not helping. This makes HN just like every other shithole online that censors its users. It makes the conversations inorganic and inauthentic. Ad hominems, while in poor taste, are protected by freedom of speech, and armchair expert white knights like yourself are only contribu…
From the guidelines[0]: > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." If users don't like those rules, they can go to other platforms. I think part of the reason why people come to HN is specifically because of rules like this. I don't think that you can argue that you're being politically oppressed on HN becaus…
If you read closely, it’s phrased like a suggestion, not a rule.
It uses language like “please” instead of “you shall.” It doesn’t sound like something that absolutely needs to be followed, as it is phrased.
Guidelines have a way of morphing into rigid rules and censorship enforcement mechanisms when nobody is watching. However noble they may seem, they are a slippery slope, and I’d rather not buy into it.
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You are comparing costs of bakery which made an apple pie with the price of apple. 60M budget included much more than just an app, which is basically a frontend to a sophisticated government operation. If you want to make a point about inefficiency of German corporations, find the right figures first. Upd: I previously wrote, that Italian app shares the source code with German one, which was probably not correct. In…
60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.
It's a lot less than that in terms of total personnel costs ($100K is a modest salary-only for a software engineer, it's extremely low as a full cost of employment.)
As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…
Europe doesn't need to create these companies. If Europe used this money to create the infrastructure for smaller companies to work together horizontally and vertically to form similar offerings they could end up with something better, at lower cost. This is a model that worked extremely well in Japan in the latter half of the 20ths century, and was mostly responsible for its economic miracle: https://en.wikipedia.or…
Oh, wait. That already happens over here!