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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by fakedang »

88840-8855 wrote: post #8

you cannot "force" funding. if you lack behind the competition, you must embrace protectionism. China is successful in that sphere compared to India because they closed the market and developed sustainable and partially better alternatives to American products. Europe must so the same - tax and limit American products. Let the home market copy and adapt then innovate. This is THE ONLY way.

You forget that unlike the US, innovators in the EU will have to fend off the bigwig corporates. And the country-level governments are firmly in the pockets of these few corporates. One could argue the same for the US, but the US is moving into the position where the EU is right now.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by christophilus »

pdimitar wrote: post #15

As an EU citizen, I don't believe for a second that this will result in anything useful, ever. There's too much vested interest that's quietly making the politicians do what the big business wants. Has been the case for a long time now. The only thing that's going to happen is that those big and old companies will get their hands on that funding while fulfilling exactly zero of their promises.

It’s pretty similar here in the US. What do you think the solution is? I don’t like the consolidation and regulatory capture I see everywhere.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by tachyonbeam »

88840-8855 wrote: post #8

you cannot "force" funding. if you lack behind the competition, you must embrace protectionism. China is successful in that sphere compared to India because they closed the market and developed sustainable and partially better alternatives to American products. Europe must so the same - tax and limit American products. Let the home market copy and adapt then innovate. This is THE ONLY way.

It seems difficult to be protectionist when it comes to online services... And do you really want to live in that world? Do you want your government to build a great firewall and limit your access to content from outside of your country?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by justoreply »

88840-8855 wrote: post #29
justoreply wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With just the difference that in Germany that app works, in Italy the correct infrastructure/process was not built, sick data information was never uploaded so the app is useless

how do you know the app is working? because we value privacy SO much, we don't even know if the app has ANY effect - taking all the anecdotes aside.

I had several notifications of low risk exposures, so the app is fed with some data. This doesn't happen in the Italian version of the app if you are living in some regions, for example.

If the app is useful, this is another topic, but it was not the point of this thread.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by 88840-8855 »

justoreply wrote: post #28
88840-8855 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent example with the app. It's an app that could have been designed and made with 100k, less people and better quality. And quicker. The current app is a nightmare. It shows that i had already 2 low risk encounters - but it doesn't show me when and where! I NEED this info to adapt my behavior! very bad app.

the app doesn't store location information by design for privacy reasons

if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature.

people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree.

Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data.

we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... maybe both.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by aflinik »

There has been a similar project developed in Poland already. (https://en.media.pkobp.pl/78483-strategic-partnership-betwee...) In practice it's not much more than government-branded version of Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft Azure. So far it serves well as a marketing vehicle for a handful of the biggest corporations, but it's barely used by anyone.

I can see it could make sense as a solution to some particular problems though – European regulations often forbid banks from processing/storing customer data in other countries, so even though the tech is provided by the American tech giants, having everything hosted locally makes it possible for local financial services to finally move away from hosting everything on premises.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway7281 wrote: post #13
bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. In Italy a startup took over the job for 1/50 of the price and with at least as good or better job. Is the above play a problem for Germany? No. Do you they even understand an problem? I don't think so.

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by 88840-8855 »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #33
88840-8855 wrote: post #8

you cannot "force" funding. if you lack behind the competition, you must embrace protectionism. China is successful in that sphere compared to India because they closed the market and developed sustainable and partially better alternatives to American products. Europe must so the same - tax and limit American products. Let the home market copy and adapt then innovate. This is THE ONLY way.

It seems difficult to be protectionist when it comes to online services... And do you really want to live in that world? Do you want your government to build a great firewall and limit your access to content from outside of your country?

yes. i do want that.

i do not like American products at all. i would love to see alternatives that actually work and are competitive.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by NeoFeznet »

bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

Apologies for the stupid question, as I feel like I’m missing something obvious: why is that? Is it the regulatory environment?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by [deleted] »

Fumtumi wrote: post #5

Yes! Let us use your own cloud provider which are not on top. This leads to issues for everyone who is then limited to EU cloud providers. General speaking, perhaps its good enough for base load of small companies but you do not want to develop on a telekom based cloud platform. They are much slower and basically non innvative.

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