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Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by imhoguy »

sz4kerto wrote: post #17
wonnage wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's the Thinkpad T14s. I think the screen is worse and you miss out on an easily-accessible SD card reader, but I think Lenovo tends to be more reliable than Dell build quality-wise.

I wanted that. I actually ordered it in August, then I have cancelled it recently as the shipping date kept shifting (last info was November). T14s AMD looked very good compared to the 9300 in August, but it doesn't look _that_ good in December.

T14 (not T14s) still available, about 2 weeks wait time in EU.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by mmm_grayons »

sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

I had similar issues and will say that quality varies wildly between models. I had a bunch of 9560s that all had awful problems (to the point of return) until I finally returned the last one and got a 9570 (I had done this enough times that the new model had come out.) It's had absolutely no issues.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by jeffbee »

michaellarabel wrote: post #19
jeffbee wrote: post #16

I wish these reviews were even slightly representative of what I normally use a laptop for, like running chrome/v8, crunching tons of geojson files with python, etc. Are all you out there with trivially parallel workloads all day long?

Any good repeatable use-cases around your GeoJSON that would work well for automated benchmark case? I"m always interested in adding more benchmarks... If you have any good test cases that would work well, happy to add them to the Phoronix Test Suite - report it @ https://github.com/phoronix-test-suite/test-profiles/issues and will look at the workloads. Thanks.

What's the acceptable amount of test data in these suites? I feel like grinding through 20GB of GIS is something that happens to me with certain frequency, but it might not fit in your repo.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by trentnix »

sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

That trackpad issue sounds like a swollen battery.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by ju-st »

localhost wrote: post #13

The difference in compile times between the AMD 4700U and the 1165G7 is stunning. Sure, it has 2x the cores but in the same TDP. Waiting for the premium Ryzen laptops to ship. Hoping the Surface Laptop 4 will be the premium Ryzen laptop that I've been waiting for (if I ever need to use a laptop again ...)

Don't trust TDP numbers. In the Anandtech Tiger Lake review the AMD 4700U used actually 30W instead of 15W for a significant time of the benchmark: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review... I'd guess a "15W TDP" AMD CPU would consume 30W continuously if the cooling could cope with it.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by jrimbault »

highwind wrote: post #28
sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

My experience is total opposite. I had horrible hardware experience with MacBook Pro. Battery being blown up, broken hinges, keyboard skipping... My XPS has been working amazingly fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Same, XPS 15 9570 (2 years old I believe). It's almost as good as new. A little electrical whining when charging and putting the ear against it, but that's since day one. I've kept a cloth in between the screen and keyboard, kept everything clean just by rubbing a cloth a few times.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by rbanffy »

rowanG077 wrote: post #29

I really don't understand why such an in depth benchmark does not test thermal throttling. This would be much more interesting to me. I disable turbo boost and undervolt my CPU on every laptop because it really drives me nuts that when I'm compiling something suddenly I can't use my web browser because my CPU has clocked to 800 Mhz. I rather have a little longer compilation time and ensure my PC is still usable in th…

You can always `nice -n 19` your background jobs. You still end up with an 800 MHz hot CPU, but at least it'll prioritize you

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by varispeed »

What is the point releasing such CPU? That must have costed a fortune plus probably wasted a ton of natural resources. And all of this for what? Just to etch new model name in hope the gullible will buy this? I wonder what Intel spend all the money on that they've been overcharging customers for their recycled CPUs...

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by imhoguy »

sz4kerto wrote: post #18
rwmj wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HP Envy x360 is great. It has a 6 (real) core AMD Ryzen 5 4500U, nice screen and absurd battery life (12 hours or something ridiculously long like that). https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ The single thing I don't like about it is they've overloaded the backslash/pipe key on to another key.

I don't want to buy an expensive laptop with only 16G RAM.

HP Elitebook 845/855 AMD support 32GB RAM officially, but they have 2 SODIMM slots so theoretically should support 64GB. One thing to watch out with Linux on HP laptops with AMD currently are problems with standby mode. They lack S3 deep sleep power state - only provide S2Idle so called Modern Standby. Although there are ways to mod ACPI tables there is still some black screen issue when the return from suspend happens - search stories on Reddit. I hope constantly improved Linux kernel will bring some workarounds and HP will do more Linux testing too on their quite decent HW specs.

I finally decided to go with proven option and ordered Lenovo T14 with 48GB RAM. It works flawlessly with Linux 5.8 because Lenovo added "legacy" S3 power state mode toggle in BIOS setup specially for non-Windows OSes.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by meddlepal »

sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

The fragility of Dell's consumer laptops is why I continue to buy Lenovo's which are less sleek but have better durability and run Linux just fine. In recent memory I've had an X1 Carbon and X1 Carbon Extreme Gen 1 and been very satisfied.
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