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Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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HP Envy x360 is great. It has a 6 (real) core AMD Ryzen 5 4500U, nice screen and absurd battery life (12 hours or something ridiculously long like that). https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ The single thing I don't like about it is they've overloaded the backslash/pipe key on to another key.

I don't want to buy an expensive laptop with only 16G RAM.

Why not? The only thing that really eats ram is chrome tabs

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I'll buy one of these. Not because of the CPU -- despite of that. Ryzen would be great but there's no thin&light Ryzen laptop with great screen and great build. Not sure why. However, apart from the performance disadvantage (that's not extremely serious), the 9310 is a great package overall (or at least I can't find anything more compelling on the market with good battery life, good screen, good docking story (TB), g…

There are currently very serious issues with the wd19tb docking station.

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-li...

This leads to random black external screens and network/usb disconnects. It is so unreliable that I stopped using it for real time communication. (Note: I have the xps 13 2-in1 2019 laptop, i7-1065G7)

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality.

These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0.5cm above the case (needs replaced), the glue holding the rubber to the bottom of the case expanded with heat and leaked out everywhere. Probably more I've forgotten

I'd still consider buying another, but I'd also strongly consider changing vendors once this machine finally dies

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I'll buy one of these. Not because of the CPU -- despite of that. Ryzen would be great but there's no thin&light Ryzen laptop with great screen and great build. Not sure why. However, apart from the performance disadvantage (that's not extremely serious), the 9310 is a great package overall (or at least I can't find anything more compelling on the market with good battery life, good screen, good docking story (TB), g…

Is the Huawei Matebook AMD edition available in your country? They are available with Ryzen processors and even better screens with a 3:2 display ratio.

They are, but the Matebook D's build quality is very far from e.g. the Matebook Pro. :(

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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what is exciting about Tiger Lake IMO is the memory tagging feature (ARM has it already) which can mitigate ROP attacks. It was announced here:

https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/...

memory tagging is like a hardware based ASAN that eliminates many memory bugs and improves memory debugging. So its potential is well beyond mitigating ROP (though all these benchmarks will change with memory tagging enabled :-))).

Intel patent document "US2020/0125502 Low memory overhead heap management for memory tagging", has more info on how this might work: https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20200125502.pdf

For a great background primer on why to use this see the brilliant work of Konstantin Serebryany https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1802/1802.09517.pdf

IMO this is long overdue on Intel architecture and the main reason why one might want to be excited about Tiger Lake

I can imagine it will lead to a lot of effort for Linux: malloc implementation, glibc, compilers, toolchains and debugging tools ... and lots of discussions about why and when it should be enabled. (IMO you want this in production always)

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

Dell Latitudes are built more solidly.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

My experience is total opposite. I had horrible hardware experience with MacBook Pro. Battery being blown up, broken hinges, keyboard skipping... My XPS has been working amazingly fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I really don't understand why such an in depth benchmark does not test thermal throttling. This would be much more interesting to me. I disable turbo boost and undervolt my CPU on every laptop because it really drives me nuts that when I'm compiling something suddenly I can't use my web browser because my CPU has clocked to 800 Mhz. I rather have a little longer compilation time and ensure my PC is still usable in that time.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

Our 5 year old XPS 13 isn't showing any signs of wear and tear. Maybe they were built better back then.
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