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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by syshum »

originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Microsoft is busy also pretending OnPrem does not exist, They cancelled all of the OnPrem cert programs, and everything is "Cloud First", with Onprem products being treated as second class with price increases to push people to subscriptions

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Post by xorcist »

user5994461 wrote: post #187
mongol wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Compare Jira with ServiceNow and it is like night and day. They serve different purposes, but Jira is friendly and SN almost hostile.

They're both tools to build forms. How horrible the forms are is really up to your organization. Whether they force you to fill 50 mandatory fields or not.

You would think that, until you try to use ServiceNow.

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Post by ashtonkem »

Martin_Beck wrote: post #13

This is entirely because they had to fork their product and codebase between cloud and on-prem, and their resulting total failure on execution on their internal product roadmap. Atlasssian has demonstrated a chronic inability over the past few years to maintain feature parity between what are effectively two different products. Atlasssian has had a really, really terrible feature execution delivery pace over the past…

There’s an irony in Atlassian failing to manage their internal roadmap and timelines.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ashtonkem »

jeff_redradish wrote: post #102

For any soon-to-be-ex Atlassian Server (self-hosted) customers, I've set up a Zulip server for discussing alternatives: https://chat.goodbyeserver.org/ It's an difficult position Atlassian are inflicting on tens of thousands of customers. Atlassian's self-hosted products are uniquely flexible, being built on a plugin architecture, and many orgs have indeed customized Jira extensively with plugins, notably ScriptRunne…

Plugins are great until you crash your standup board because the “Recycle” plugin put stories somewhere you can’t see but also didn’t remove the story from the sprint, causing permission issues.

A lot of what makes Jira so broken is that it is way too flexible, and this flexibility has costs in terms of performance and stability. There’s a damn good reason why I used Chrome back in the XUL days for FF; because XUL FF was not performant or stable for me back then.

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Post by throw0101a »

tupputuppu wrote: post #180
papaf wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. Me too. How awesome is that! Its absolutely fantastic news. Edit: This is great for those of us that have to suffer Atlassian products that we didn't choose. It is also good news for companies such as Gitlab that do offer self-hosted solutions.

And what on-premise substitute do you think will be superior? Asking seriously.

I have no answer to that, but if one is forced to go off of on-prem Jira and go into the cloud, it may not follow that people will go to in-cloud Jira. Once an organization is forced to do work, it may be the opportunity re-evaluate things and find something "better" (local or in-cloud) instead of just renewing annually due to inertial.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by throw0101a »

ozim wrote: post #179
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Microsoft is doing the same with Azure DevOps and big orgs with sensitive data are moving there as well. I don't think you can even have Azure DevOps on premise. So Atlassian is doing it because they know there is no competitor that would jump in. Because everyone else also goes that direction.

> So Atlassian is doing it because they know there is no competitor that would jump in. Because everyone else also goes that direction.

New Confluence licenses will no longer be available in 2021 and support ends in 2024 (though it seems the Data Centre version will still be available, but it's expensive). That's potentially 3-4 years lead time to get something going. Either totally on-prem or an either-or option (à lab GitLab).

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Post by sytse »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #218
matthewmuscat wrote: post #171

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Our org uses both Jira Server & Confluence Server - and I’m fairly sure this will make us move away from Atlassian’s products. The split between cloud and server offerings is partly to blame here. My thoughts go out to the businesses that have built plugins for Jira and had to endure the variances between cloud and server, or worse, only catered for the server market. The group at tempo timesheets[1] particularly com…

> I’m hoping that an org like GitLab is able to keep building on and catering for this space. That's not really an option for organizations whose main product isn't code, no?

We (GitLab) have strong planning features but are missing workflow enforcement. GitLab also has a wiki but it is less user friendly than Confluence.

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Post by goatinaboat »

pjmlp wrote: post #128
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

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How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows.

JIRA in its default state is fairly sane. People who hate it, usually with a white-hot burning passion, really hate the ham-fisted customisations their own organisation has done to it.

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Post by sheeeep86 »

confluence_perf wrote: post #22
originalvichy wrote: post #14

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I don’t share the same experiences with slowness (maybe we do something right on the instances we manage). I do however experience slowness in cloud. I assume they increase cloud resources in some kinds of steps that make them appear extremely sluggish.

Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

Where is the data hosted? Somehow it feels like the devs are located close to the data and don't notice the lag. And for me in central Europe, some requests must travel across the world and back.

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Post by alelefant »

ameshkov wrote: post #3

This just makes me extremely sad. Server products is what made us purchase Atlassian software. There are numerous reasons why our company (and a lot of other companies I presume) would like to avoid cloud. And if we really had to go cloud, I simply don't see why we would choose Atlassian over alternatives.

What are your companies reasons for avoiding cloud?
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