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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by asyncscrum »

kenrick95 wrote: post #95
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

Phabricator is pretty good and is open source https://phacility.com/phabricator/ Some big organizations are using it (like Facebook, Wikimedia Foundation, Mozilla)

This looks fantastic. A very deep product. I appreciate the copy "Like Slack, but nowhere as good."

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by Aeolun »

pjmlp wrote: post #128
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

> have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows

I think the reason you like it is exactly the reason a lot of people hate it.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by smcl »

Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

I've no recent experience of the on-prem version, but nowadays I have to use the cloud version and it's painfully slow. One common problem I encounter is that after a page loads I might want to search for something in the search box. I'll click it and start typing ... then at some point the rest of the page has loaded including the stupid key bindings which do various random actions on different keystrokes. I don't know why they have this, it's infuriating.

Oh and they keep updating the UI which involves shuffling things around and every new version is slower than the last. If you're running on-prem you at least get to decide when to update and notify everyone accordingly. We'd just find out one day that everything has been moved around and learn the new locations of different features.

Sorry I'm really just generally ranting about Jira now but honestly I find it so infuriating to use. Confluence as well, how did they manage to make wikis suck so bad?

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Post by ashtonkem »

Controversial take: good.

Jira isn’t my favorite product for all the reasons everyone always gives. But the worst feature of Jira is the ability to install custom extensions that slow it down and fill it with bugs. My local Jira install takes seconds to reorder stories because we’ve loaded it to the hilt with god knows what. I’ve regularly crashed it due to innocuous actions like deleting a story due to extensions. Oh and we can’t use any automation tools with it (Zapier, IFTT) since it’s only accessible via VPN.

Taking away the ability to customize Jira to death will make it a better project. Or it’ll force my org to move to something better: either is acceptable.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ashtonkem »

Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

My experience with Jira makes me think that extensions are a big portion of the problem here.

Confluence just sucks though.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ashtonkem »

garenp wrote: post #60
Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

Atlassian does not provide particularly good guidance on how to get their tools to perform well. The first big issue for any moderately busy system is that you need to dedicate huge gobs of heap memory (think 16G+) to the tool. After that, they suffer from poor schema design - there are tables that are literally missing indexes on commonly queried columns, and some columns that have delimited values embedded in them.…

> It's hard for me to see how "Java" and "cloud" go together.

Given the number of companies known to use Java in the cloud very successfully, this is a “Citation Needed” moment.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by zrav »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

> For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki.

Having used and looked inside both Media Wiki and its enterprise fork BlueSpice, I can't really recommend either if you need anything more serious than just "minimum viable wiki features".

A few years back we temporarily switched from using Confluence to Xwiki, which worked okay for a while, but then different small and medium issues kept adding up until we had to go back to Confluence and swallow the increased price (sixfold in a span of 3 or so years). This was with Xwiki 8 though, the current version 12 might have improved things, I should try it again really.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by benhurmarcel »

matthewmuscat wrote: post #171
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Our org uses both Jira Server & Confluence Server - and I’m fairly sure this will make us move away from Atlassian’s products. The split between cloud and server offerings is partly to blame here. My thoughts go out to the businesses that have built plugins for Jira and had to endure the variances between cloud and server, or worse, only catered for the server market. The group at tempo timesheets[1] particularly com…

> I’m hoping that an org like GitLab is able to keep building on and catering for this space.

That's not really an option for organizations whose main product isn't code, no?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by benhurmarcel »

jeff_redradish wrote: post #102

For any soon-to-be-ex Atlassian Server (self-hosted) customers, I've set up a Zulip server for discussing alternatives: https://chat.goodbyeserver.org/ It's an difficult position Atlassian are inflicting on tens of thousands of customers. Atlassian's self-hosted products are uniquely flexible, being built on a plugin architecture, and many orgs have indeed customized Jira extensively with plugins, notably ScriptRunne…

I'm curious if anyone knows of a decent alternative that's not only focused on organizations producing code.
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