Crazy to do this when they don't yet offer a BAA for Atlassian cloud products, meaning you can't store PHI on their systems.
Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#122Smells of opportunity to me.
Yup. But the alternatives have to be optionally containerized, easier to install maintain and upgrade. It's not 2009 any more.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.
What's wrong with JIRA? If it is about the usage of it within some orgs, I don't know if it is the tool or culture. I have seen some people fawning over tools like Asana but in my usage I just found it fancier and slower than Jira. Personally, as a developer I find GitHub issues to be good enough.
I feel like I've had two experiences with it. Probably 10 years ago I was at a medium sized facility and we migrated 10 different ticketing systems to Jira hosted on-site. It was a little awkward, not quite lightweight, but served all the needs and it was amazing to move tickets between departments while maintaining history and the customization of presentation and fields. Confluence was a much nicer wiki system compared to others at the time and it was nice to integrate Jira/Confluence. Search and Filters are something many other systems suck that for both wiki and ticketing.
I left that job and for awhile working at places using different ticketing systems, hearing complaints on places like HN about Jira, and wishing for features those other systems were missing. A few years ago I started at a place that used the cloud hosted Jira at a much smaller company (with an enthusiastic lead who likely tweaked the setup himself). It was a much, much worse experience. It was horribly slow and I guess they had focused on "management" features that made a normal ticket process annoying and confusing (it may have been how it was configured). Reading around I think the horrible performance was because of scaling architecture decisions that Atlassian made, which I heard they've at least acknowledged and are addressing. I gasped when I saw this headline they plan to drop local hosting before getting cloud performance issues behind them.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#124This is surprising; I would have expected a big press release for this sort of thing. Did the page go up early or something?
They have a blog post:
https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/journey-to-clou...
> To focus on the world-class cloud experience you deserve, we are simplifying our self-managed offerings.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#125Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.
Another option for Wiki, which I think is a bit closer to Confluence (but open source & self hosted) would be XWiki https://www.xwiki.org/
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#126This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…
This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian.
Me too. How awesome is that! Its absolutely fantastic news.
Edit: This is great for those of us that have to suffer Atlassian products that we didn't choose. It is also good news for companies such as Gitlab that do offer self-hosted solutions.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#127For any soon-to-be-ex Atlassian Server (self-hosted) customers, I've set up a Zulip server for discussing alternatives: https://chat.goodbyeserver.org/ It's an difficult position Atlassian are inflicting on tens of thousands of customers. Atlassian's self-hosted products are uniquely flexible, being built on a plugin architecture, and many orgs have indeed customized Jira extensively with plugins, notably ScriptRunne…
> open-source their discontinued Server product line
little did you know, the source code for atlassian server products is already available for any paying customers. It's not FOSS, but if you need to run this yourself, and customize it, it's already possible. But of course, you will be responsible for keeping it updated (patching vulnerabilities from libraries etc).
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.
How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.
Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows.
Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#129My employer's national security agreement with the United States CFIUS requires software development in a data center on US soil where all security controls can be audited at any time by the government. Atlassian's JIRA is one of the tools in use for this. It could be a problem if on-prem is no longer offered by Atlassian.
They are discontinuing the “Server” product, but continuing “Data Center”… which has more functionality at a higher price, suitable for bigger orgs. You might already be using Data Center, and be unaffected by the new announcement.
It’s surprising to me how many commenters on this post didn’t even read the announcement. When you see that their Data Center offering isn’t going anywhere, it doesn’t seem dire at all.
Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses
#130We use Bitbucket server because we prefer the code review UI and the diff views over everything else. I was shocked when I tried the cloud version and saw how different and how much worse it was. Would otherwise actually prefer to move to cloud but not with that UI, will re-eval competitors instead.
I don't know about the other products, but I was always told that Bitbucket is literally 2 separate products with unrelated codebases that Atlassian just branded the same. Take with a grain of salt because I have no good source, but consider that ex. on-prem BB never supported Mercurial (which was cloud BB's big selling point for me), and their UIs were quite different.
I don’t know what the products are like today, but you’re right that they’ve historically been two separate products with totally different implementations.