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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by addicted »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #5

Wow. This must feel like a huge fuck-you to people that migrated to Atlassian because they could host things locally (I worked at a place that made the leap 3 years ago and it was a somewhat controversial decision. I feel kinda bad for everyone that'll be hearing an "I told you so" on Monday morning). Not only is the product being killed, they're raising the price during the migration period. Their FAQ also hints tha…

And they are doing all of this while Microsoft is strengthening its competitive offerings.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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addicted wrote: post #111
Rebelgecko wrote: post #5

Wow. This must feel like a huge fuck-you to people that migrated to Atlassian because they could host things locally (I worked at a place that made the leap 3 years ago and it was a somewhat controversial decision. I feel kinda bad for everyone that'll be hearing an "I told you so" on Monday morning). Not only is the product being killed, they're raising the price during the migration period. Their FAQ also hints tha…

And they are doing all of this while Microsoft is strengthening its competitive offerings.

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by aszen »

Doesn't seem like a good move, when we moved back to Bitbucket cloud from Bitbucket server we lost many essential features and ultimately decided to move to GitHub.

We do still use Jira Cloud but while the UI and search is better the performance is just awful.

Note that they do have a good vscode extension that integrates well with the development workflow, creating branches for tickets, commenting and so on. I use it to see issues, get notifications in vscode for new bugs and transition issues. It's good for viewing basic text but poor for media rich content.

I also use the go-jira unofficial cli tool written in golang which is just a joy to configure and use. It supports a templating system for creating new issues and custom commands to do all kinds of tasks. https://github.com/go-jira/jira

Paired with GitHub Issues and PRs vscode extension, this enables me to work in the text editor most of the time.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by sytse »

momothereal wrote: post #30
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff). Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

What agile stuff are you missing from the paid versions of GitLab? We have epics, roadmaps, milestones, and iterations. The only thing that is missing I can think of is workflow enforcement, but that doesn’t strike me as Agile.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by petre »

ssddanbrown wrote: post #35
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

I created and maintain BookStack which is often used for many similar use-cases as confluence: https://www.bookstackapp.com/ Rather opinionated in design and structure though.

It's great for things like blog posts, but not so great for technical documentation. Tables are the key. Also if it had DocuWiki/MediaWiki import tools and PDF/ePub export for print and screen reading it would have been perfect. Markdown doesn't cut it if you have tables, the DocuWiki format seems to be better suited for that but also a lot more annoying for source editing regular stuff and a nuisance for non technical people. We have online docs on DocuWiki. At least we have the option to use Pandoc to convert to printable formats. The thing is that our whole instance looks like a 00s web 1.0 website and it's not searchable. I'm always annoyed when looking for something on it. Your BookStack web app is miles ahead in this regard. I love the chapter collapses.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by tluyben2 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #50
pc86 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lo…

> Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle (1) Github Enterprise, the alternative suggested, is a Microsoft product (Github is Microsoft), not GCP or AWS. Given the way Microsoft seems to be investing and promoting products, seeing Github Enterprise as having more legs than Azure DevOps is completely reasonable.…

> been primarily AWS-based.

Same here for the MS shops I work with; actually no Azure at all.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by janee »

tiew9Vii wrote: post #108
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard for me to imagine that atlassian would allow individual instances of jira/confluence/etc in their cloud versions to get nearly as much resources as you need to give them on-prem. I always wondered that, too! Like, you'd think that if you have devs building a product and a team running a hosted instance of the product in the same company, that they'd have a very good feedback loop and make it easy to run t…

They don’t. They forked the code base around 5 years ago now. Cloud/on prem. Cloud is or was multi tenanted, you didn’t get your own isolated server, you got routed to some compute that would then pull data at request time based on your tenant id. With a hard fork of two seperate product streams it was inevitable at some point maintaining feature parity between products would get to much. Java and cloud go together q…

Makes sense. SaaS and desktop have subtle different needs that cause widely different problems to solve.

The amount of effort I would fathom needed to maintain a single code base that's architected to do both would be exhausting.

I'm disappointed they don't just come out and say it, i.e. play open cards and help your customers understand

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