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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by 1over137 »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

For issue tracking I like https://mantisbt.org

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by singingfish »

minot wrote: post #56
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

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How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

My understanding of Jira is that it by itself does not suck but it bends over backwards for asinine “business processes” so it is difficult to find an implementation in the wild that does not suck.

I know a little about the inside of the jira sausage factory from second hand reports. It's got the "accrete everyone else's business processes" problem that you mentioned, but it's also got the problem that it's quite spaghetti on the inside as well, probably for the usual reason - startup founders writing lots of code in a hurry and conflating the purpose of the software with its architecture due to being too close to the problem. Compound that with the usual startup-in-growth problem of more people than necessary (with presumably very uneven capabilities) working on the codebase and you've got a recipe for a maintenance problem.

I do know that getting put in the jira team is one of the least fun parts of working for atlassian.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by sushshshsh »

hanoz wrote: post #86
tootie wrote: post #44

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TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

>"absolutely sucks compared to JIRA" Congratulations, according to Google you are the first person on the internet ever to use that phrase. Indeed only the second ever to string the last four of those words together.

"better than jira" returns 6210 results, too :)

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by momothereal »

thenanyu wrote: post #75
hamolton wrote: post #38

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I wish there were better self-hosted wikis. Most seem to be from the mid-00s and rock the look. None of them have real-time collaborative editing like Confluence or Quip from my research.

We're working on a CRDT collaboration engine at Outline-Wiki https://www.getoutline.com . It can be easily and performantly self-hosted (though there's a saas version available) and it's open-source.

Fair warning that it is under the Business Source License which isn't really open-source. I fully understand why this license was chosen (preventing resellers competing with your SaaS), but advertising as "open-source" is misleading.

Your FAQ also says to "Contact [You]" regarding on-prem instead of pointing to the GitHub, which imo conceals the fact that you can build and run it without a restrictive license.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by kenrick95 »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

Phabricator is pretty good and is open source

https://phacility.com/phabricator/

Some big organizations are using it (like Facebook, Wikimedia Foundation, Mozilla)

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by 1MachineElf »

My employer's national security agreement with the United States CFIUS requires software development in a data center on US soil where all security controls can be audited at any time by the government. Atlassian's JIRA is one of the tools in use for this. It could be a problem if on-prem is no longer offered by Atlassian.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by kylecordes »

1MachineElf wrote: post #96

My employer's national security agreement with the United States CFIUS requires software development in a data center on US soil where all security controls can be audited at any time by the government. Atlassian's JIRA is one of the tools in use for this. It could be a problem if on-prem is no longer offered by Atlassian.

They are discontinuing the “Server” product, but continuing “Data Center”… which has more functionality at a higher price, suitable for bigger orgs. You might already be using Data Center, and be unaffected by the new announcement.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by kylecordes »

mdoar wrote: post #90
rst wrote: post #65

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If it's an SV Unicorn, it can probably afford the "Data Center" enterprise offering. Though from comments here, even that may not be a smooth migration from the a la carte on prem products, depending on what add-ons they use...

Data center and server are the same bits using a different license. Moving from server to a one node data center Jira is not hard

Right, the change is fundamentally retiring the lower-priced single-node offering for small orgs. Likely their market understanding shows that organizations with sufficient motivation to stay away from the cloud are also mostly willing to use the higher-level Data Center offering. It's not only the same bits though, it add some extra enterprise-flavored features also.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by lemax »

dstaley wrote: post #19
dragonwriter wrote: post #16

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> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

Azure devops was the first to offer Windows based self-hosted runners - if you’re stuck in the drudgery of building Windows software, because your customers only run Windows servers, it was pretty much the only modern devops option for a while. I don’t think Devops is going anywhere anytime soon, I’ve heard utilization is quite high.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by kstrauser »

Oh, perfect timing! Some coworkers were starting to consider Bamboo to replace Jenkins, but since our use case demands 100% on-prem, now I don’t have to waste my time evaluating it. We can throw it into the “inherently unfit for purpose” category and move on other products.

If we’d bought Bamboo a month ago, I’d be ready to develop a temper.

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