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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Oh, it is very possible. Look at most ITIL software, although it might be hard, they usually don't have screenshots on their websites so the only way to see the product is in the company of a sales person.

I wish we had something even half as good as Jira.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

Atlassian does not provide particularly good guidance on how to get their tools to perform well. The first big issue for any moderately busy system is that you need to dedicate huge gobs of heap memory (think 16G+) to the tool. After that, they suffer from poor schema design - there are tables that are literally missing indexes on commonly queried columns, and some columns that have delimited values embedded in them.…

> It's hard for me to imagine that atlassian would allow individual instances of jira/confluence/etc in their cloud versions to get nearly as much resources as you need to give them on-prem.

The homedir for our on-prem Confluence instance is >120GB and the MySQL dump is 26GB uncompressed (2GB gzipped).

Not sure how that import would/will go.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

While we had very similar experiences - only used JIRA but the performance was borderline-unusable - I've heard reputable sources say that configuration plays a tremendous role in that. I'm inclined to believe we just hadn't configured it "correctly," but the fact that you can destroy performance by casual misconfiguration is itself a pretty big issue. I've heard the same about cloud performance, which seems to be an…

When I used JIRA Cloud about a year ago I measured 30s+ load times on every single page. For a nearly-empty instance with no customizations, just their scrum template.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

Jira is probably the slowest piece of software I use in my job. I can't believe there's an interstitial loading screen with a status bar for cloning an issue.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

I wish there were better self-hosted wikis. Most seem to be from the mid-00s and rock the look. None of them have real-time collaborative editing like Confluence or Quip from my research.

We're working on a CRDT collaboration engine at Outline-Wiki https://www.getoutline.com. It can be easily and performantly self-hosted (though there's a saas version available) and it's open-source.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

BitBuket + Bamboo can be replaced with GitLab. For the wiki, have a look at DokuWiki.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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How does this play with the Australian ruling around state mandated backdoors and encryption bans? I can't imagine there's a lot of trust here for an Australian company providing cloud infrastructure that can be compelled to include back doors or locking out encryption?

https://fee.org/articles/australia-s-unprecedented-encryptio...

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Anyone got a good opensource Jira alternative I can install locally? Most alternatives are cloud as well.

Anyone still use Trac? [ https://trac.edgewall.org ] We were using it up until a while ago (edit: oh, did the math, 7 years ago)... could still totally get by with it. I keep my free Jira/Cloud account going, but when I look elsewhere, I don't really love the options either (Clubhouse, looking at you).

To each their own I guess - Clubhouse has been a change for the better in every way compared to JIRA for me/us (cloud-only, though)

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Calling it “moving to the cloud” has such pompous overtones. They stopped giving away access to their source for free, just like the majority of the rest of their community. Atlassian might as well be any other company now with a really good product suite. Years ago, they were awesome. They gave free licenses to open source projects. I still think they’re the best, but this cloud-only thing sucks. The software has value outside of their hosting it.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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post #77

How does this play with the Australian ruling around state mandated backdoors and encryption bans? I can't imagine there's a lot of trust here for an Australian company providing cloud infrastructure that can be compelled to include back doors or locking out encryption? https://fee.org/articles/australia-s-unprecedented-encryptio...

I work in SaaS supporting global regulated markets. We’ve had to replicate full stack implementations hosted in local data centers and accessible only by citizens physically in that country with security clearance. I expect Atlassian (and other cloud companies) will need to do the same.
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