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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by ianai »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #7

I understand Apple’s approach to Verizon here. Just like the initial iPhone needed one carrier to get things right, 5G infrastructure testing will be like that. It is in Apple’s best interest if their users experience 5G as best as the current infrastructure allows (which isn’t great yet, because it will take a decade for a full rollout). It makes sense to have the carriers bend over backwards to see who gets to be t…

You want fast adoption? Drop the price 10-20% and roll it into a loss lead. This $30 knock off is a cash grab against the other customers.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by dstick »

dathinab wrote: post #121
floatingatoll wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the past couple of decades, our elected representatives have prioritized the welfare of corporations over the welfare of human beings. Price transparency laws harm corporations and benefit consumers; therefore, they are unlikely to be approved for law by the elected representatives.

At the same time price transparency & monopoly restrictions is fundamental for a working capitalism. Without that there will be no proper self regulating marked and all the points why capitalism is supposed to work will not uphold anymore.

Yep, it’s a definite ying and yang. Sapiens (the book) spends a few very interesting chapters on the inner workings of this dynamic and how it shaped the world as we know it.

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Post by decker »

samatman wrote: post #90
wyldfire wrote: post #4

Phone subsidies are bad and should go away. Showing the post-subsidy price is dishonest.

If I grant the second premise, could you explain your antipathy to the first? If I want to have a mobile phone, I need a mobile phone plan to go with it. What's wrong with bundling those services for a slightly lower total bill? It strikes me as pretty standard business logic.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of people buying an iPhone 12 already have a mobile phone plan.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by zachberger »

aylmao wrote: post #24
jonathanberger wrote: post #11

Why doesn't the US have universal laws that cover price transparency in general? There are so many industries that get into shady territory: rental cars ("facility use fees"), hotels ("resort fees"), internet access ("mandatory equipment rental fees"), even SF restaurants ("SF mandate"). I'm saying Apple is wrong, and so are many other companies, and shouldn't we have fixed this with a law by this point?

Adding to the industries that get into shady territory: universities. Campus fees, "activity" fees, etc. Now apparently COVID-related fees too [1]. [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/college-students-get-hit-wit...

I occasionally use the Rinse laundry service and they have a bizarre $5 COVID safety fee which is refunded 3 months later.

https://www.rinse.com/blog/rinse/health-and-safety-fee/

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Post by cwhiz »

adventured wrote: post #95
_qulr wrote: post #81

Everyone is talking about the $30, but the real story is that iPhone 12 is at least $100 more expensive than iPhone 11. The $30 thing seems almost like an intentional distraction from a huge price increase during a global depression and pandemic.

> The $30 thing seems almost like an intentional distraction from a huge price increase during a global depression and pandemic. Apple's customers are largely not lacking for purchasing power. That's why you won't see their quarterly sales tanking through this mess. In the US, the iPhone buyers as an economic class have not seen a large and sustained unemployment spike, as they did during the great recession (which s…

I doubt this. More likely is that everyone is financing their iPhone at 0% over 24-30 months. The number of people who can afford to pay cash for an iPhone is a tiny fraction of the people who can afford the monthly payments. The absolute most expensive iPhone configuration with the iPhone Upgrade Program is $66/month. You can get it for significantly less per month through a major carrier.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by decker »

kube-system wrote: post #82
kevingadd wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lie that involves charging someone more money is still a lie even if it's $30 (not insignificant! the cost of a good meal or ~half a tank of gas!) instead of $300

What part of "starting at $699" is a lie? You will be able to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini.

The part where you have to spend more than $699

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by briandear »

jb775 wrote: post #104
freedomben wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked straight up before seeing the doc about the cost and nobody knew. They finally estimated "about $1,500" and my total bill was around $5,000. And if I refuse to pay it, they send me to collections. It's insane what they are allowed to do.

I've always wondered which part of the medical supply chain is causing healthcare prices to rise so rapidly. There's no way these are natural market rates being driven by supply/demand, it's gotta be something artificial. My guess is something along the lines of medical device companies colluding to prop up prices to hospitals.

No, it’s Medicare cross-subsidization as well as the EMTALA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5769684/

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by hristov »

One should mention that the iphone 12s do not come with chargers or headphones in the box. So that is another effective price raise of about $30. It is a real shame because the fast charging feature of these phones really deserves an out of the box working charger so it can be immediately appreciated by ordinary non-tech people.

Now most people will use their old chargers, which will not support fast charging.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by farisjarrah »

chrisseaton wrote: post #29
aylmao wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding to the industries that get into shady territory: universities. Campus fees, "activity" fees, etc. Now apparently COVID-related fees too [1]. [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/college-students-get-hit-wit...

> COVID-related fees That's a dark phrase.

The Honda dealership in my town charged me $19 for a Covid Cleaning Fee.
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