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Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by bee_rider »

hajile wrote: post #56
throwaway4good wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe's military as it is is enough to counterbalance Russia's. The US military presence in Europe is a relic from the cold war.

Do you have any evidence to go along with that claim? I'd guess if the US could spare people and equipment, it would be moving much closer to China at the moment.

The EU has a combined GDP more than 10x that of Russia. Russia has some advantages -- having one of the world's biggest nuclear stockpiles means that they basically get to pick their conflicts, and being an arms exporter means their military R&D is in some sense subsidized by other countries, but still, that's a pretty big deficit to make up. And they have notably not picked any conflicts that the EU would find existential.

They are just set up differently. The EU doesn't have a central military, so they can't do foreign adventures very well, and as a result they don't invade places very often. But this could be seen as a good thing...

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by TeMPOraL »

chrisjc wrote: post #73
throwaway4good wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US tech war against China acts as a massive subsidy for China's domestic semiconductor companies. I suspect that is why the Chinese response has been so muted.

Interesting... Can you elaborate more on this idea?

I'd guess: the societal demand for tech is there, the government wants it to be fulfilled, so there will be ample money available for setting up the necessary infrastructure and training personnel, from both public and private sources.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by willvarfar »

burntoutfire wrote: post #76
codr7 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine is buying gold. It's a mystery to me how you can sort of see that it's all going down the drain but still insist on believing that you'll be able to sail through it by careful planning. We're all in the same boat here, and it's sinking fast. It doesn't take much of a disaster for money (and gold) to become completely worthless.

Was there ever a time in history (let's say, in the past 2000 years) when gold was worthless though? Barring from super specific events, like trying to escape from a sinking Titanic etc.

Just going off on a tangent, but Vikings seemed to prefer silver to gold. It’s hard to entangle cause and effect and silver mining in the Middle East around that time, though.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by User23 »

akie wrote: post #17
parsimo2010 wrote: post #8

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The EU knows this, but they will continue to comply with US trade sanctions until they can live without the US in all areas. A giant hurdle (but not the only one) is NATO and being able to counter Russia. While NATO and the EU are separate, many countries are members of both. If the EU took a hard stance and said that they value trade with China more than the US's security complaints, the US could very well use that…

All this talk about NATO still being an active entity in the protection of Europe is dangerous and hopelessly naïve. As long as Trump is president, I don't think we need to have any illusions as to which side he would chose in a hypothetical armed conflict between the EU and Russia (he would pick no side). EU politicians should wake up and smell the coffee, and invest in an EU army before it's too late. We really (de…

If the Russians actually wanted to invade Europe they'd stir up some pointless local unrest and then just send a few million Russian refugees to collect welfare in Germany. Why even bother with the tanks?

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by [deleted] »

mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

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Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by disown »

mschuster91 wrote: post #28
mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

> At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend. While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem, I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China, which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

> While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem

Why is it a problem?

> I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China

Why not?

> which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

I see this mantra repeated over and over again? What are these core values of Western nations. Nazism, imperialism, neocolonialism, antifa? Or are you referring to the virtue signalers manifesto?

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

burntoutfire wrote: post #76
codr7 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine is buying gold. It's a mystery to me how you can sort of see that it's all going down the drain but still insist on believing that you'll be able to sail through it by careful planning. We're all in the same boat here, and it's sinking fast. It doesn't take much of a disaster for money (and gold) to become completely worthless.

Was there ever a time in history (let's say, in the past 2000 years) when gold was worthless though? Barring from super specific events, like trying to escape from a sinking Titanic etc.

Its not that gold is worthless, but it might be worth significantly less for you. A sovereign nation could institute a recall of gold devaluing the commodity[1]. A different sovereign nation could invade and take the gold by force.

Both of which have precedent in the last 100 years. Ofcourse if you only read history from the perspective of the winners, gold is always a good long term investment.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by SkyMarshal »

mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

How is the US getting ASML? I hadn't heard anything about that.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by [deleted] »

burntoutfire wrote: post #76
codr7 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine is buying gold. It's a mystery to me how you can sort of see that it's all going down the drain but still insist on believing that you'll be able to sail through it by careful planning. We're all in the same boat here, and it's sinking fast. It doesn't take much of a disaster for money (and gold) to become completely worthless.

Was there ever a time in history (let's say, in the past 2000 years) when gold was worthless though? Barring from super specific events, like trying to escape from a sinking Titanic etc.

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Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by ksk »

mschuster91 wrote: post #28
mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

> At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend. While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem, I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China, which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

If you were a goat-herder being droned every other Tuesday, you'd change your mind.
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