Abolish the Cash Bail System • Hacker News Board

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by smitty1110 » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:29 PM UTC

jacobush wrote: post #158

throwaway17_17 wrote: post #154

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Just curious why not Louisianan law particularly? On this topic the statutory, if not the implementation by judges, is pretty succinct.

Probably just a humorous comment, because it's the only US state not based on Common Law. On the other hand, Wikipedia says "Louisiana's criminal law largely rests on American common law."

It goes back to my college days. I had two ethics courses, taught by lawyers, and both of them went out of their way to mention that Louisiana was special. Many state bar associates have reciprocity, expect LA. Last I knew, they had reciprocity with no other state bar associations.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by tom-_- » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 3:41 AM UTC

tyrust wrote: post #274

tom-_- wrote: post #110

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Prop 25 upholds SB 10. This paper suggests improvements to SB10 based on potential biases in its design.

I got it. It just seemed like from the phrasing of your post that a link to the description of Prop 25 would have made more sense.

The description of Prop 25 doesn't include any details about the risk assessment model. This is the only doc I've found that does.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by jopsen » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 7:36 AM UTC

gowld wrote: post #207

jopsen wrote: post #175

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The lack of prosecution has more to do with priority than lack of bail. Scams can be hard to prosecute, and the harm inflicted on victims is mostly financial. Personally, I would love to see more internet scammers (spammers in particular) prosecuted, but if I think hard about I can recognize that there might be crimes it more important to investigate.

Money is how people buy food. You need a super strong social safety net to say people don't deserve to buy their own food.

Didn't say it shouldn't be prosecuted.

Just that I understand that violent crime often takes priority.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by nmfisher » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 7:38 AM UTC

nobody9999 wrote: post #48

nmfisher wrote: post #39

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> Putting people out on their own recognizance works in most cases. Has this been studied?

>> Putting people out on their own recognizance works in most cases. >Has this been studied? Actually, it has. In fact, the linked essay goes into some significant detail about it. Perhaps you might consider reading it.

Do you mean this Arcdigital article posted to HN? If so, I can’t see any mention of it.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by nobody9999 » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:21 AM UTC

nmfisher wrote: post #284

nobody9999 wrote: post #48

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>> Putting people out on their own recognizance works in most cases. >Has this been studied? Actually, it has. In fact, the linked essay goes into some significant detail about it. Perhaps you might consider reading it.

Do you mean this Arcdigital article posted to HN? If so, I can’t see any mention of it.

>Do you mean this Arcdigital article posted to HN? If so, I can’t see any mention of it.

Yes, I did. And to make sure we're talking about the same thing, the article is: https://arcdigital.media/abolish-the-cash-bail-system-3cf647...

Here's the section I mentioned:

"It is also questionable whether the cash bail system does a better job guaranteeing individuals will appear in court. Washington, D.C. was an early pioneer in pretrial reform, eliminating secured money bail and bolstering pretrial services in 1992. The results have been extraordinary. Today, it releases 94 percent of those accused for crimes as they await a court hearing, and 91 percent of them appear in court for their trial. New Jersey likewise passed a suite of criminal justice reforms in 2016 that essentially eliminated cash bail and created a new pretrial services program. A year after the reforms were implemented, 95 percent of defendants were released pretrial and 89 percent of them appeared at their trial dates. These rates of appearance for trial are similar to, or better than, the rates of appearance before the reforms were implemented. It would appear, then, that the cash bail system is not required to guarantee a high rate of court compliance nor does it do better than the alternatives."

And here are the links that were embedded in the section above supporting the author's assertions:

http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/BailReform_WEB.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/02/644085158/what-changed-after-...

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/criminal-justice/rep...

https://www.njcourts.gov/courts/assets/criminal/2018cjrannua...

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by nmfisher » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 12:08 PM UTC

nobody9999 wrote: post #285

nmfisher wrote: post #284

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Do you mean this Arcdigital article posted to HN? If so, I can’t see any mention of it.

>Do you mean this Arcdigital article posted to HN? If so, I can’t see any mention of it. Yes, I did. And to make sure we're talking about the same thing, the article is: https://arcdigital.media/abolish-the-cash-bail-system-3cf647... Here's the section I mentioned: "It is also questionable whether the cash bail system does a better job guaranteeing individuals will appear in court. Washington, D.C. was an early pione…

Thanks - either I'm going blind or I scrolled straight past that section on my phone (twice!).

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by vikasg » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

specialist wrote: post #250

vikasg wrote: post #221

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How is this comment that adds zero value considered "civil"? Oh, right. Because it fits right in with the bullshit reflexive contrarianism around here.

Whinging and navel gazing are necessary and fine activities. For a while. But at some point, one has to transmute outrage into action. Adapt, grow, assume agency. This issue is settled. The smart people figured out better solutions. The public supports reform. This stage requires the hard work of organizing and lobbying. My only regret is assuming Caruso (author) is American. Alas, he's in the UK. So he probably woul…

reply, smug, just like that.

Commenting on HN is settled. Quarterback, armchair, they call it that.

-- Have you talked to a human? One of the action steps is to not be a know-it-all.

Alas, sentences with two commas, is what you have.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by dang » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 6:02 AM UTC

kepler1 wrote: post #104

mulmen wrote: post #93

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> This is why poor black neighborhoods are crime ridden and victimized. Are you claiming this is unique to black neighborhoods? Why would there be a racial component to this issue at all? > Your own efforts to believe in racial justice by any means undermine the outcome itself. You appear to be the first person in this thread to invoke race.

[I don't think it's right that people are flagging my comment] If you don't see that this problem is particularly unfair and concentrated in poor black neighborhoods, you are truly allowing your idealism blind you to reality. For some reason maybe you don't want to talk about race, despite the entire matter being centered around "Black Lives Matter".

You posted several flamewar comments in this thread and unfortunately have a significant history of posting race flamebait to HN. We ban such accounts, so please stop that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You've also been using HN primarily for political battle for quite some time. That's against the rules here, and we ban such accounts—we have to, or else political flames will take over this place completely. If you want more explanation about that, see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... Either way, please stop doing this on HN.