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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Analog cars uber alles :)

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

While we're doing this can we please also bring back small-screen smart phones and physical buttons and knobs on appliances?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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This part: > The bricking shows that all these “smart” cars with remote software control are liable to hacking No remote control or wireless communication was used here, so this can't provide evidence that it is liable to hacking.

The bricking shows how deeply integrated the remote control system is, and that it can brick the car. And since it's remote control, it can be hacked (or Ferrari themselves can be hacked). Therefore we can conclude that the bricking shows how badly the car can be affected by remote hacking. It doesn't matter that wireless remote communication didn't happen here. The wireless remote control system was demonstrated. An…

We don't know if it can be enabled remotely from this story. There is no evidence for that beyond your speculation. There is only evidence that it cannot be enabled remotely. This is why I said your claim is false. Looking at other instances, or the documentation, will probably show that it can be enabled remotely, but that evidence is not here.

But, it appears your perspective is that if remote control operation exists, so it can be hacked. This is proof that remote control operation exists, so it can be hacked. Framed in that perspective, sure I guess.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

#286

Analog cars uber alles :)

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

Please explain how this is in anyway due to the/a/any government.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Ah, that's another good point. Turning your head happens a lot more in street driving than racing.

Dumb question: how do race cars and their drivers handle "blind spots"? Edit to answer my own question: apparently they use spotters that radio in to them whether or not it's clear, and (at least in NASCAR) the cars don't have side mirrors but have an extra long rear view mirror.

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This part: > The bricking shows that all these “smart” cars with remote software control are liable to hacking No remote control or wireless communication was used here, so this can't provide evidence that it is liable to hacking.

The bricking shows how deeply integrated the remote control system is, and that it can brick the car. And since it's remote control, it can be hacked (or Ferrari themselves can be hacked). Therefore we can conclude that the bricking shows how badly the car can be affected by remote hacking. It doesn't matter that wireless remote communication didn't happen here. The wireless remote control system was demonstrated. An…

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bricking shows how deeply integrated the remote control system is, and that it can brick the car. And since it's remote control, it can be hacked (or Ferrari themselves can be hacked). Therefore we can conclude that the bricking shows how badly the car can be affected by remote hacking. It doesn't matter that wireless remote communication didn't happen here. The wireless remote control system was demonstrated. An…

We don't know if it can be enabled remotely from this story. There is no evidence for that beyond your speculation. There is only evidence that it cannot be enabled remotely. This is why I said your claim is false. Looking at other instances, or the documentation, will probably show that it can be enabled remotely, but that evidence is not here. But, it appears your perspective is that if remote control operation exi…

> There is only evidence that it cannot be enabled remotely.

Wait, by "enabled" do you mean making the car stop working, or making the car work again?

Either way, that's wrong.

For making the car work remotely, the fact that they tried and say it would have worked if it had a cell signal is strong evidence that they can in fact do it. Why would they lie about it? It's evidence they can, not evidence they cannot.

For making the car stop working remotely, this situation doesn't give any direct evidence either way. It's not evidence they can, but it's also not evidence they cannot.

And considering how these devices are usually designed, if they can flip the car one way they can probably flip the car the other way. So it very likely can remotely make the car stop working.

> But, it appears your perspective is that if remote control operation exists, so it can be hacked.

Is that wrong? Even if the system itself is magically perfect, surely Ferrari itself can be hacked. I can't imagine someone credibly claiming otherwise. So I take it as a fact that a hacker can send commands to your car. Whether those commands can shut it down... I'll just say that if it even resembles competitor systems then it's a strong yes.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Slaps hood

Another throwaway meme reference. dang where you at?

obviously too busy suppressing real conversation, and being a general douchecanoe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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